Breeding

[JohnQuinn]

I have a pair of Pencil blues paired together, 1/2 bro/sis mating. The sire of these, when paired to his own dghtr (black hen) bred a chocolate young bird last year. I got a Chocolate out of the 1/2 bro/sis mating this year. Some say its not possible to breed a Choc from 2 blues, i say it can only have come from they 2 birds and the Pencil in both ck & hen must have influenced the colour. What do you guys think of this?

[OLDYELLOW]

Chocolate is a recessive red , ash is possible from blues , so its unusaly to get a chocolate , so a throw back , mulemans by chance ?

[JohnQuinn]

Not sure of the strain but the blood is Ron Williamson of N.I. The problem i have with accepting its from something else is i know the origins of all the ck's in that section as they're all home bred. with no sign of Chocolate in 8 years of having them in ma lofts. I'm flummoxed because i've always believed you can only get 2 blues from 2 blues. Thats why i can only imagine its because the parents are both Pencilled, the hen in particular who is heavy pencil marked.

[bigjamie]

I have a pair of Pencil blues paired together, 1/2 bro/sis mating. The sire of these, when paired to his own dghtr (black hen) bred a chocolate young bird last year. I got a Chocolate out of the 1/2 bro/sis mating this year. Some say its not possible to breed a Choc from 2 blues, i say it can only have come from they 2 birds and the Pencil in both ck & hen must have influenced the colour. What do you guys think of this?

 

i think your hen has been down to visit charlie at the chocolate factory

[Guest beautyhomer]

I have a pair of Pencil blues paired together, 1/2 bro/sis mating. The sire of these, when paired to his own dghtr (black hen) bred a chocolate young bird last year. I got a Chocolate out of the 1/2 bro/sis mating this year. Some say its not possible to breed a Choc from 2 blues, i say it can only have come from they 2 birds and the Pencil in both ck & hen must have influenced the colour. What do you guys think of this?

 

Chocolate is a term only used by racing fanciers.The correct genetic name is recessive red.This is a non sex linked recessive colour modifying gene.For a pigeon to express this gene it must have a pair of them.

Your original sire will only have one so he is a carrier for recessive red.He has a 50% chance of passing this gene on to his offspring.For the black hen and the two pencil blues to breed recessive reds they must all be carrying the gene.

When two carriers are paired together 1 in 4 youngsters will be chocolate

The pencil markings will not influence the colour

[Guest Owen]

Do the pairs run together in the loft? And are there any cocks that could have mated with the hen other than her proper mate?

One sure way of telling what has happened is by the sex of the youngster. It would be genetically impossible for the youngster to be a cock. So if the youngster turns out to be a cock, Daddy is not Daddy, and Mummy has been a naughty girl.

[JohnQuinn]

Do the pairs run together in the loft? And are there any cocks that could have mated with the hen other than her proper mate?

One sure way of telling what has happened is by the sex of the youngster. It would be genetically impossible for the youngster to be a cock. So if the youngster turns out to be a cock, Daddy is not Daddy, and Mummy has been a naughty girl.

 

Pretty sue it'll be a hen,the one from the sire to dghtr mating last year, when moulting, grew in white feathers replacing the "choc" feathers it threw, not all but a significant number. This one is doing the same

[JohnQuinn]

Chocolate is a term only used by racing fanciers.The correct genetic name is recessive red.This is a non sex linked recessive colour modifying gene.For a pigeon to express this gene it must have a pair of them.

Your original sire will only have one so he is a carrier for recessive red.He has a 50% chance of passing this gene on to his offspring.For the black hen and the two pencil blues to breed recessive reds they must all be carrying the gene.

When two carriers are paired together 1 in 4 youngsters will be chocolate

The pencil markings will not influence the colour

 

Does that then infer the Original sire has passed this gene to both the parents of the chocolate i have bred and confirms them as the real parents??

[Guest beautyhomer]

Do the pairs run together in the loft? And are there any cocks that could have mated with the hen other than her proper mate?

One sure way of telling what has happened is by the sex of the youngster. It would be genetically impossible for the youngster to be a cock. So if the youngster turns out to be a cock, Daddy is not Daddy, and Mummy has been a naughty girl.

 

recessive red IS NOT SEX LINKED so the sex of the youngster has nothing to do with it.the youngster has an equal chance of being a cock or a hen.To say "it would be genetically impossible for the youngster to be a cock" is wrong!

 

Does that then infer the Original sire has passed this gene to both the parents of the chocolate i have bred and confirms them as the real parents??

 

YES :)

[JohnQuinn]

Thank you for clearing that up for me, i was beat! cheers