info about marchenero pigeons

jase · April 25, 2008

hi guys,

i am looking for any info about the marchenero breed, if anyone can point me in the right direction , of any good websites about them that would be great, as here in australia there is only 2 breeders that have them , as thay were a new import a few years ago , and i would love to find out more about them ,

regards jase

gangster · April 25, 2008

glasfeathers your man ..ive got a few horsemans...if you put either horseman pouters or spanish thief pigeons in your search engine you will bring up some sites.... www.edinburghdoo should bring the site up and just use some of the links to other sites...hope this helps jase

jase · April 25, 2008

thanks for the help mate

jase · April 25, 2008

maybe you guys over there could train some marcheneros to fly over here to my place in australia ? ;D ;D ;D ;D

gangster · April 25, 2008

they would be to busy chasing hens.... :) ...

jase · April 25, 2008

they would be to busy chasing hens.... :) ...

are thay common over there mate ?

Glassfeather · April 25, 2008

Hi there,

Someone said my name.

I wouldn't say Marcheneros are common, there are a few breeders with them here in the UK, more in Holland, Germany, France, and of course, Spain. Ok there are some good videos on youtube of Marcheneros belonging to Tomas Delestal in Seville:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O498_Q8KWyU&hl=es

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ly0rvNO7tE&hl=es

They are a very friendly race, quite difficult to breed, but a lot of fun. These are some of mine:

I would direct you to my website but I am having some trouble with it at the minute. You will find an overview of all the Spanish Croppers at this page:

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/Glassfeather/giralda.htm

This is the breed standard:

Buchon Marchenero~Standard

The ancient Marchenero was a pigeon of the same morphological characteristics as the current type and by genetic cultivation and selective accumulation of the determining factors of its ancestry, the present day characteristics have been formed. The breed originally appeared around the 15th or 16th century in Seville as the ï¿½Colitejoï¿½ or ï¿½tile-tailï¿½ pouter.

It could be defined as having little flesh and light boned, abundant feathers making it appear larger. Its configuration is defined by the curly and spongy plumage.

The Marchenero is a ï¿½posture pigeonï¿½, so called for certain peculiarities adopted in flight. These are characterised by the wing tips being extended outwards, it never ï¿½rowsï¿½ in flight and only glides in landing, the configuration does not allow it: the tail is tucked under the body acting as a brake and the concavity of the wings make it descend rapidly.

In flight, one can apppreciate: A.)The tail is spread open and tucked inwards like a lobster tail. B.) The rump feathers give the impression of a double tail. C.) A full crop, rounded and hanging in such a way as not to affect its forward vision, giving the impression of a semi circle viewed from the front. It has a docile temperament though vigorous and arrogant. It has excellent talents for the conquest, which is why it is used in sporting flight without a female.

Breed Characteristics

General Aspect (20 pts): A relatively small pouter weighing 7 to 10.5 ounces. Very loose feathered and gives the impression of actually being larger than it is. It has a fine shaped head, fairly well inflated, creased globe, short keel, and flies with its tail scooped in a manner reminiscent of a lobsterï¿½s tail. Its rump feathers are abundant and long and form what is called the double tail.

Neck & Crop (15 pts): The neck is short and fairly wide. The chest is broad. The Marchenero inflates a large round crop but also carries it in a draped fashion. The crop has a vertical crease. Feathering of the globe is loose, soft and rich and should always overlap onto the shoulders.

Head (5 pts): Fine and rounded and profusely feathered, with loose feathers covering the tops of the eye ceres. These feathers sometimes stick out a bit forming what the Spaniards call ï¿½tufosï¿½.

Eyes (2 pts): Reddish orange in all but white and light splash which have bull eyes.

Back (3 pts): Wide and profusely feathered with long, loose feathers. Finishing off at the wide rump.

Rump (10 pts): Wide and showing long, loose feathers. When the bird coos and performs it should show a lot of hackle and the rump feathers stick out so as to give the impression of a second tail.

Wings (10 pts): Strong and wide. The wing forms a deep curve on two planes when opened for inspection.

Tail (20 pts): Short and wide feathers make up the tail. Usually, the centre feathers (6 to 8) are broken because of the birdï¿½s constant scooping effect and the natural breaking of those feathers. The tail is always arched downwards and forwards during courtship or flying. The tail is always longer than the legs and should never clear the ground while it is scooped.

Legs (5 pts): Short to medium, clean-legged and fine boned. The feathering of the hocks should be loose and form ï¿½basket-feathersï¿½, what the Spaniards call ï¿½canastillaï¿½.

Feather Quality (10 pts): ): Abundant soft, loose feather. Never tight against the body and always interspersed with fine ï¿½filoplumesï¿½. Bred in numerous colours; most common are ash red, blue, black, silver, splashed, white, etc. Clean, clear colour preferred.

Serious Faults: High-held large crop with a back globe; broad head; heavy body; tight rump feathering showing no hackle; lacking scoop tail; long keel; wry tail.

Ring Size: 8mm

jase · April 26, 2008

wow some top looking birds there buddy , wish there was some here like yours , i would love to breed some myself , i have been looking for a few years to get some, i have found out there are just 2 breeders with them here, but hopefully 1 day ill snag some,

thanks for the link and the pics

regards jase

Glassfeather · April 26, 2008

No worries Jase,

I know one of the guys who exported a few years ago, he should have some nice ones. These are some pics of my brown bars:

jase · April 26, 2008

wow,

thay are just great looking birds,hopefully i will get some like you 1 day , also can you please tell me who is the guy who

exported a few years ago ? if you could help that would be great, as i am finding it hard to track down any info

regards jase

Glassfeather · April 26, 2008

Jase,

It was Mario Fenech, do you know him? Would you like his email address? I will send it to you in a pm if you want it.

Graeme

jase · April 27, 2008

hi Graeme

thanks for getting back to me, i have heard of marios birds but never seen any pics of them , do you know how many he got sent over ? and what colors he has ? also his email address would be great, also the pic of the flying pigeon under your name is that a valencian pouter ? do you breed them as well ? as i think there also a very interesting breed, are thay hard to breed like the marchenero do you know ?

Glassfeather · April 27, 2008

Hi Jase,

Sorry I'm not sure about quantity or colours. The bird in my Avatar is a Gorguero, you can find out more about them here: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/Glassfeather/collar.htm

and here in Spanish: http://www.clubnacionalbuchongorguero.com/

I don't keep these but I keep Jiennense, which are similar:

These are my birds in the videos:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9oHkBoT3D-k

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oPzYOUCa5Ww

jase · April 27, 2008

wow there a nice shape bird, i wish there were birds like that here, thanks for the contact details mate, ill check out the videos of your birds for shore

regards jase

jase · April 29, 2008

Hi Jase,

Sorry I'm not sure about quantity or colours. The bird in my Avatar is a Gorguero, you can find out more about them here: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/Glassfeather/collar.htm

and here in Spanish: http://www.clubnacionalbuchongorguero.com/

I don't keep these but I keep Jiennense, which are similar:

These are my birds in the videos:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9oHkBoT3D-k

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oPzYOUCa5Ww