J Halsteads New book

[Wiley]

recieved it today and he will be getting it back.It advertised as a book and its a panfleet wouldnt waste your time or money if sending for this.Considering his videos are very informative,and is a well respected man in the pigeon game i was expecting alot more then 36 pages for the price.Although it wasnt my money it was my mothers and fathers as i had this on my christmas list.Just very dissappointed

[jakjak]

Couldnt agree more!!

I got mine Friday. RUBBISH!

He should stick to videos as his videos are VERY GOOD!

[Guest Paulo]

glad you've posted this mate as I was thinking of buying it.

 

Is the advice good or crap?

[Guest bristolkev]

thanks for letting us know wiley,i was gonna send off for it tomorrow.i won`t bother now.

[Guest]

Just took it off my crimbo list (lol) Cheers wiley.

[Wiley]

a friend of mine ordeded his a few days after my father ordered mine darran he was very disappointed in what i told him.

[Bilco]

Hi.

 

I read John's book and thought it was very good advice indeed.  I know the bloke personally and reckon that if any of you above who are making sour comment can match his achievements, in the same sort of competition, then you are entitled to say what you like. But if you haven't, and can't hold a candle to what he has won, then use the brains God gave you and sit down and read what he has written.  Pamphlet ?  Yes, it measures 38 pages on good quality paper with 8 colour photos, and the definition of a Pamphlet in Wikipedia is "less than 48 pages, after which it is a book" so technically you are right Wiley, but what he has written is worth a guinea a word as the old saying goes, because he tells you how, and why he conditioned his birds and motivated them. Apply his methods to your team and it may well be you who writes the next pamphlet.  Ten quid in this day and age buys you two packs of cigarettes, or four pints, or the log of how a good fancier beat the backside off most of the opposition in National and Classic races.  Use the sense you were born with, stop and look at what is there in the printed word, and make use of it.  Condemning a man's work as "rubbish" without being capable of producing anything as good (backed by performance) betrays the heckler as an idiot to any man of average intelligence.    I fly against John Halstead in the BBC and CSCFC (when I fly) and I think I am doing very well indeed if I get one before he does.  Cheers, Bilco.

[Guest]

I think that is a bit much Bilco, wiley was saying he was disappointed with the book at no time in his post was he doubting the man as a great fancier. Merely registering his disappointment at what he received. Obviously wiley has seen much of what he has written in his extremley well presented videos.

 

Too much of what is written on this website is taken very personally at the moment, the upshot being people being shot down for having different views.

Whether wiley has won as much as him or not , everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter who they are.

 

Quote from Bilco

 

I know the bloke personally and reckon that if any of you above who are making sour comment can match his achievements, in the same sort of competition, then you are entitled to say what you like. But if you haven't, and can't hold a candle to what he has won, then use the brains God gave you and sit down and read what he has

 

[Bilco]

Quote from Darran:  "everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter who they are".

 

I agree with you entirely.  I also think that anyone who has NOT managed to carve his name into the pillars of our sport (as John Halstead has)  - and read above please Darran  - has no entitlement to call the work of John Halstead "Rubbish".  Now I know Wiley didn't write that sour comment, but another man did, in reply to Wiley's opening comment.   Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but that doesn't give us the right to express them in libellous terms in International publications. Don't you agree ?  Bill.

[Guest]

Yes Bilco agree fully, to be honest didn't really notice the other post.

 

Fair enough!!

[Wiley]

Ok lads im sorry for posting this publicly,it was just in a state of disappointment! Doesnt everyone say things or do things out of disappointment and wish they didnt do at a later stage.Not once have i or ever will slate of mr halestead in the racing pigeon game as i have admiration of his achievements he has a achieved in the pigeon game and like i said his videos are very informative and have learnt alot from his videos.Every day i go through a learning curve and life is all about learning and this is another lesson i have learnt thank you

[Bilco]

Quote from Darran:  "everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter who they are".

 

I agree with you entirely.  I also think that anyone who has NOT managed to carve his name into the pillars of our sport (as John Halstead has)  - and read above please Darran  - has no entitlement to call the work of John Halstead "Rubbish".  Now I know Wiley didn't write that sour comment, but another man did, in reply to Wiley's opening comment.   Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but that doesn't give us the right to express them in libellous terms in International publications. Don't you agree ?  Bill.

[Wiley]

yes i agree bilco,and like i said i am sorry!

[Bilco]

Bravo Wiley.  It takes a man to admit when he's overstepped the mark.  You'll go a long way.  You have my respect. Bill.   Cheers Darran !

[THE FIFER]

well done wiley as Bilco said it takes a man to admit to something, and u wont go far wrong listening to Bilco, and good to see people of long standing like Bilco helping younger fanciers keep on the right track,

[Guest Paulo]

I wouldn't really say young Wiley should have to apolgise he's not belittling John Halstead or his achievements he's expressing disappointment at buying a pamplet advertised as a book. Fair enough 10 quid is reasonable enough for advice from a man who has won what John has won etc but surely it should have had a picture of it or at least been advertised as a pamlet to avoid people being disappointed.

 

For the record I own a couple of John Halsteads dvds and have the biggest respect for him as a pigeon man and admire his achievements. I think your not making sense with the below through:-

 

"I agree with you entirely.  I also think that anyone who has NOT managed to carve his name into the pillars of our sport (as John Halstead has)  - and read above please Darran  - has no entitlement to call the work of John Halstead "Rubbish".  Now I know Wiley didn't write that sour comment, but another man did, in reply to Wiley's opening comment.   Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but that doesn't give us the right to express them in libellous terms in International publications. Don't you agree ?  Bill.''

 

By your conditions that means we can't criticise anyone who has achieved more than ourselves. Have you ever been prime minister Bilco? If not that means you can't criticise the prime minister.

 

Have you ever played football for England? Well if not don't you dare criticise David Beckham or any of the England team as you haven't achieved half as mucb as them in the sport.

 

I know where you coming from when I used to fight in thai boxing I used to hate hearing people criticise the fighters as with fighting myself I knew how hard it was and it was one of my pet hates hearing people criticise fighters when they wouldn't have the bottle to get in the ring themselves. However criticism is part of life when you are marketing any product as soon as John put that book on the market he knows he can expect criticism so what gives you the right to tell people they can't have an opinion?

 

Whats really annoyed me is you've had a pop at a youngster who's merely expressed his disappointment in Johns product its called a review people do them all the time. I bet you have done reviews of pigeon products when you used to wirte in the pigeon press and said they aren't very good some of those products were probably developed by fanciers who are high achievers. Yet you pick on a youngster for expressing an opinion.

 

If theres one thing I hate in the world its double standards!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I think you should apolgise to Wiley if your going to have a pop at anyone have a pop at the user who actually did call John's product rubbish and even then you could argue the bloke is entitled to his opinion otherwise we can't criticise anyone who is more qualified and has achieved more than ourselves.

 

Yours in Pigeon Sport

 

 

 

 

[Jeremy]

Totally agree with Paulo. ;D

[superstar]

Well I think I have to agree with Wiley's disapointment and paolo's comment as if its advertised as a book and is infact a Pamphlet then that is surely contrary to Trading Standards and the description of sale needs ammending so all prospective purchasers know exactly what they are getting for their hard earned money. Dont see where anyone knocked Mr Halsteads abilities of flying a pigeon though as that would be ludicrous at best!

[schyphos]

Also totally agree with Paulo.You have a right to express yourself Wiley and you certainly were not discrediting Mr Halstead,but purely expressing your disapointment at the book you received.

[antwerp]

I am a great fan of the John Halstead videos/dvds and purchased the whole collection. These videos are very informative and you cant fail to learn from them.

They are very good.

I recently see the 1 page advert in the BHW for 'this time its a book'

I thought 'great', and sent my £10

A week later it arrived, and I too was disappointed, as it was more of a

'booklet'

Anyway I read the book, but it didnt really impress me, as the reader.

I also bought East to West, which I thought was an excellent read.

Mr Halstead is a great flyer, and his videos are superb, but I was not impressed with the 'book', for a cost of £10.

Like 'Wiley', I am expressing my opinion, so go easy on me 'Bilco'

Anyone who donates £10 to this website, I will send them the book for FREE, and you can judge for yourself. Cant say fairer than that.

[Guest Paulo]

Fair enough just was a bit concerned that Wiley was getting a bit of flak when the lad has done nothing wrong.

 

 

Regards

 

Paul

[Bilco]

 

     

Lovely debate.  Good to see everyone becoming involved, BUT, Paulo, you make one cardinal error.   I did NOT say that Wiley -  or anyone else for that matter - should not have the right to criticise. (God knows I've done my share in the last 40 years in print).  Read my original posts No 5 (and No 14 to Darran) again, a couple of times. My remarks are addressed to "any of you above who are making sour comment" I said that while we have the right to hold an opinion, we do NOT have the right to express it in libellous terms in an International publication , as this Forum is.  Read what I wrote.  I agree that Wiley didn't call the Booklet "Rubbish" - that was another man who has wisely kept his head down ever since. Otherwise I agree with you Paulo.

[Guest]

     

Lovely debate.  Good to see everyone becoming involved, BUT, Paulo, you make one cardinal error.   I did NOT say that Wiley -  or anyone else for that matter - should not have the right to criticise. (God knows I've done my share in the last 40 years in print).  Read my original posts No 5 (and No 14 to Darran) again, a couple of times. My remarks are addressed to "any of you above who are making sour comment" I said that while we have the right to hold an opinion, we do NOT have the right to express it in libellous terms in an International publication , as this Forum is.  Read what I wrote.  I agree that Wiley didn't call the Booklet "Rubbish" - that was another man who has wisely kept his head down ever since. Otherwise I agree with you Paulo.

 

With respect, I suggest you re-read both member's comments in their correct context. Before I had one pigeon in my loft I had purchased 4 John Halstead videos. I agree they are excellent. Both the 'disappointed' and 'rubbish' comments were from consumers who like me had already sampled John Halstead's videos, and were absolutely delighted by them. On the strength of this they tried the book. One was disappointed and the other thought the book rubbish [quality] compared to the excellent videos, adding the remark that John stick to videos because he was obviously very good at that. Neither questioned the quality of information that was in the book. Only that the videos were better.

 

The other point that I take exception to is the inference that only a winning fancier is knowledgeable, the rest of us by implication, aren't and shouldn't be heard .

 

This forum is founded on the basis that all members are equal. Irrespective of what level you are at, everyone is invited to tell what you know or think,  and others will try to confirm it or perhaps point you in a different direction; ask a question, and others try to provide an answer, or find someone who will ....

 

And we don't allow libellous remarks on this Site from anyone.