Limits

westy · January 21, 2007

no limits in our club

Keepsmilingqueen · January 21, 2007

there is sort of a limit in my club at the begining of the season you have to nominate the amount of birds maximum you want to send each week eg 20 f0r which you pay £1 per bird on top of your sub fees, so you can sent any amount of birds away as trainers but only the 1st say 20 on the sheet are racing for points/money.

i dont see the point personally as if a fancier feels like it he can pay a one off fee of £100 and nominate 100 birds to race that season in each race for points/money so it doesnt really limit mob flyers it just pulls at there pockets

i myself as a newbie at this system of flying (my previous club folded over the winter) was advised to nominate 20 and send the odd extra as a trainer ;D

sharron

January 21, 2007

its the Laws of average,the more you send the more chences of winning,But i agree also that a small team loft with good birds and good managment will win races,But theres plenty of people in a club that do try there best with there birds and carnt win a prize no matter how hard they try because you get 2 or 3 lofts sending hell of a lot of birds and especially in young bird races will always have the edge on smaller lofts.

I'm not so sure that sending more birds does affect your chances of winning, that is from a purely numbers crunching viewpoint .. think quality will come into it not to mention 'the football manager scenario' where some of the team wont be at their fittest and its a waste of money time & effort fielding them this week.

The other average that applies here is the 10% rule ... its said that only 10% of birds are good and 90% aren't, so while my 10 might contain 1 duffer ( some chance ) someone else's 100 might contain 90 duffers.

The last average is having 40 birds available for the race but only being allowed to field 20, how do you know that the winner ISNT included in the 20 excluded birds, sitting in the loft? Seems silly to me to breed more pigeons than the club will allow you to fly.

DEEJAY · January 22, 2007

its the Law of large numbers, the more you send the more chences of winning, But i agree also that a small team loft with good birds and good managment will win races, But theres plenty of people in a club that do try there best with there birds and carnt win a prize no matter how hard they try because you get 2 or 3 lofts sending hell of a lot of birds and especially in young bird races will always have the edge on smaller lofts.

Yes i agree, the law of large numbers will always have an advantage! So how to make a true race of it? All things being equal, a level playing field can be had by everyone flying the same amount of birds, then there is no clear advantage over another fly-er, so IMHO a bird limit as far as the race is concerned is a good thing, just how many birds in a given race should be up to the individual clubs. If you have only one bird flying and it is an ace bird and all, it's chances of winning in a 2000 bird race go way down compared to someone flying 50 birds, it's obvious that the person flying 50 quality homers has the better chance to make the sheet than the one ace bird!

DEEJAY · January 22, 2007

I'm not so sure that sending more birds does affect your chances of winning, that is from a purely numbers crunching viewpoint .. think quality will come into it not to mention 'the football manager scenario' where some of the team wont be at their fittest and its a waste of money time & effort fielding them this week.

The other average that applies here is the 10% rule ... its said that only 10% of birds are good and 90% aren't, so while my 10 might contain 1 duffer ( some chance ) someone else's 100 might contain 90 duffers.

The last average is having 40 birds available for the race but only being allowed to field 20, how do you know that the winner ISNT included in the 20 excluded birds, sitting in the loft? Seems silly to me to breed more pigeons than the club will allow you to fly.

You should know your birds which are ready and those which need a rest, if you watch your birds closely you will know ! Also your terminology i really didn't understand at all, you said only 10% of birds flown are good, well if you fly only 10 then you have only one "1" bird worth a darn, now the other guy who flies 100 birds only has 10 birds worth a darn if i understand you correctly, i would rather have 10 birds against one bird any day! (this is the advantage of large numbers)

Lets take your example of 40 birds wanting to fly, but only can basket only 20 for a race, so maybe the club should let you fly the other twenty this way you will learn how to pick birds which are ready, which is a skill all flyer's need to learn!

January 22, 2007

You should know your birds which are ready and those which need a rest, if you watch your birds closely you will know ! Also your terminology i really didn't understand at all, you said only 10% of birds flown are good, well if you fly only 10 then you have only one "1" bird worth a darn, now the other guy who flies 100 birds only has 10 birds worth a darn if i understand you correctly, i would rather have 10 birds against one bird any day! (this is the advantage of large numbers)

Lets take your example of 40 birds wanting to fly, but only can basket only 20 for a race, so maybe the club should let you fly the other twenty this way you will learn how to pick birds which are ready, which is a skill all flyer's need to learn!

It's not my terminology that's wrong, it's my counting . ;D

Agree with you 10% of 10 is 1 and not 9: so now I know I have 9 potential duffers instead of 1.

Also agree with you that the fancier should be able to pick potential winner in his team, but think that might be a bit harder with 100 birds to choose from rather than just 10. 'Mob flier' is in my opinion, just that, flying a mob rather than a team, and he/she will find it pretty difficult (if not impossible) to choose which bird will be first home from the race.

Also believe there are too many unknown variables on race day to predict that the person with more pigeons entered has more chance of winning ... for example when he / she needs first drop from a convoy of 2000 birds when 1900 of them are headed miles further up the country, in a strong tail wind, in a 60 mile race.

DEEJAY · January 22, 2007

Yes i agree with all the variables, and a mob fly-er really will have a hard time picking birds that are ready, maybe that's why some of these flyers don't like the idea of limits?

Great hearing your opinion on this, Happy flying and good day to you !