Maps

[Guest]

Derby Lad take some good advice, check out the price of the OS explorer maps, I have one sitting in fornt of me now as i type the scale is 1:25 000 it cost me £7.49 last year.

As to the legality of the 1:50 000 a new member in my club was plotted on such a map and the map was accepted by the RPRA for this coming season.

Now follow this link and you will find the maps i am refering to,I have picked out the map covering Derby for you.............NOTE THE PRICE, NOTE THE SCALE.

http://www.mapkiosk.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=918

 

You're right it should not be a heated debate. But you have two guys coming on saying I don't know what I'm talking about and then, when I ask Tammy to check his facts he still doesn't admit he's wrong!!!

AND they've misled you cause you are willing to pay £30 for a map you can get for under £8.

Why would they want to dis me...........they think I'm an idiot........ I can't be that much of an idiot because when Peter Bryant got the job of General Manager I was one of the six shortlisted and interviewed for the job.

It does make my blood boil when you get bigots who refuse to admit when they are wrong and more importantly mislead because they can't admit when they get it wrong!

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Derby Lad take some good advice, check out the price of the OS explorer maps, I have one sitting in fornt of me now as i type the scale is 1:25 000 it cost me £7.49 last year.

As to the legality of the 1:50 000 a new member in my club was plotted on such a map and the map was accepted by the RPRA for this coming season.

Now follow this link and you will find the maps i am refering to,I have picked out the map covering Derby for you.............NOTE THE PRICE, NOTE THE SCALE.

http://www.mapkiosk.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=918

 

You're right it should not be a heated debate. But you have two guys coming on saying I don't know what I'm talking about and then, when I ask Tammy to check his facts he still doesn't admit he's wrong!!!

AND they've misled you cause you are willing to pay £30 for a map you can get for under £8.

Why would they want to dis me...........they think I'm an idiot........ I can't be that much of an idiot because when Peter Bryant got the job of General Manager I was one of the six shortlisted and interviewed for the job.

It does make my blood boil when you get bigots who refuse to admit when they are wrong and more importantly mislead because they can't admit when they get it wrong!

 

where does anybody say you dont know what you are talking about ?checked my facts and im not wrong, you have a link for map kiosk which is where i got my map and my infromation from derby lad has also checked with os and was told the same a scale of 1.2500 is best and a copy is £30 and the cost of a full map would be expensive, your blood can boil all it wants , i am not wrong nor a bigot, maybe thats how you never got the job ,

[Guest]

an A4 will only give you a tiny area, the OS map will give you an area covering about 16 x A4 for £8, how can you think that it's better value to pay £30 for a map 1;25000  printed on an area the size of 1 sheet of A4. You're right perhaps it's why I didn't get the job, I don't suffer fools easily.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

an A4 will only give you a tiny area, the OS map will give you an area covering about 16 x A4 for £8, how can you think that it's better value to pay £30 for a map 1;25000  printed on an area the size of 1 sheet of A4. You're right perhaps it's why I didn't get the job, I don't suffer fools easily.

 

the a4 size is all we required  and it covered most of the small village and the scale was 1;2500  and not 1;25000 as you have here, i did also buy the outranger map on the scale of 1;50,000 and thats why i said they were no good because the shu rejected it and as you say was under a tenner

[Guest]

Most local Estate Agents will let you have a photocopy of the area you need for about £1.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Most local Estate Agents will let you have a photocopy of the area you need for about £1.

 

we also went down this route frank , gave us a large size map on a scale of 1;2500 only problem was they said they could not put lines of latitude and longtidude on it as it breached ordnance survey copywrite, which is the problem i found with most places , every map has a copywrite, same position from library , great maps but all have a copywrite

[Guest]

Tammy, if Derbys Lad is in Scotland then you may not be able to use 1:50000........ with the RPRA I used it for this year and obtained distances.

As to the scale let's clarify what we are talking about how many inches to the mile is the scale you are talking about?? And more importantly are you saying that at a scale of two and a half inches to one mile this is not acceptable to the SHU??

It may have been all you needed for the small village ...........but why pay £30 when you could pay £8 and have a map that covers a greater area and may be useful in future for other new members?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Tammy, if Derbys Lad is in Scotland then you may not be able to use 1:50000........ with the RPRA I used it for this year and obtained distances.

As to the scale let's clarify what we are talking about how many inches to the mile is the scale you are talking about?? And more importantly are you saying that at a scale of two and a half inches to one mile this is not acceptable to the SHU??

It may have been all you needed for the small village ...........but why pay £30 when you could pay £8 and have a map that covers a greater area and may be useful in future for other new members?

 

did say albear that a scale of 1;50,000 was not acceptable, there were three sizes the shu told me i could use , will check later, just measured the map sent and is 40 meters is one and a quarter inches = 1;2,500,  think that is how to measure it, we had to get this large scale map to sort a serious row over this mans distances, yes a larger map would have done but we wanted this size map to get the most accurate reading to stop the row moving farther on, wish we had the need of a map for more members as most are over 65 and i am the youngest at 49, a very small village with no young folk wishing to join pigeons, i will post later on the sizes acceptable by the SHU,

[Guest TAMMY_1]

just checked with SHU Albear and the only sizes they will accept are

 

1;1250

1;2500

1;10,000

1;10,560

as you see there is a big difference in the size acceptable by the SHU and the RPRA

[Guest]

Tammy, I doubt there is a real difference, 1:50000, yes I was surprised it was acceptable and I actually don't think it should be.

However the bottom line is that the 1:25000 is a ggod map and fairly detailed, every house in a terrace is shown in any city/town area for example. It is a very reasonable cost and it covers a large area.

Until satelitte plotting is reliable and accepted, there is going to be inaccuracy in nearly every case regardless of which map you use but obviously the lower the scale the better, but I'm pretty sure the map you are quoting at £30 for an A4 is the same scale as the map I am quoting at £8.

Finally  i did get quite miffed and I do think the advice I have given is spot on, but there is bnever any malice in me when I get miffed!!! It did seem rather dismissive of frank to say ignore the prices i had quoted! So my apologies for getting miffed. I would still bend over backwards to help you Tammy or anyone else if the situation ever arose and I was capable of helping!!!

[Guest]

Albear i dont know what you are on about i never seen any posts slating you in any way as i see it both tammy and myself have just stated what we have just gone through regarding maps the point we were making is the larger the scale of the map the less detail they have and the more likely there is to make a mistake when pinpointing the loft yes the rpra except the 1:50000 maybe the shu does not i dont know i think this is where the problem lies people who with the best intensions pinpoint a loft from the larger scale map and are out slightly and as in our case we fly short mid week races when 200yds will make all the differance and the discrepancy shows up and people start questioning the whole affair we are not having a go albear just stating our recent experiences i liken the whole thing to you open a can of worms and when the sh--- starts you cant get them back in the can that was my situation when i tried to sort out a very long running dispute between two close friends

[THE FIFER]

dont know about now but u used to be able to go to the big libraries and take photo copies of maps.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

dont know about now but u used to be able to go to the big libraries and take photo copies of maps.

 

as in earlier posts fifer , i stated i went through libraries and could not have a copy because they could not release a copywrited map

[THE FIFER]

 

as in earlier posts fifer , i stated i went through libraries and could not have a copy because they could not release a copywrited map

 

yes lots of things have changed now tammy, not like the good old days,

 

 

[Guest]

i think it depends on your luck as to who you speak to in the librarie fifer some want to help and some dont some will let you have what you want and some will say no because of copy right just your luck!!!!

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

yes lots of things have changed now tammy, not like the good old days,

 

 

they days were afore ma time

[Guest]

Frank sorry to hear it caused such great problems. I understand where you're coming from and the greater the scale the better, hiowever times have changed and costs are astronomical and fanciers dissapearing, things need to be made as easy as possible, methinks.

And I'll just relate a story that illustrates the futility of a good scale map. We had a member join our club from another club  back in 1972, the maps used to pin *expletive removed* were exactly the same by both clubs supplied by the Council planning dept. This member's loft was about 50 yds away from another member, but when we got the distances they were something like 400 yds apart. I couldn't understand it, until I tried plotting the lofts off the co ordintes supplied, the new loft had been mis plotted by a whole street, it had been plotted in the terrace street next door in error!!! Simple honest human error. GPS would be the solution, can't really fathom why there are such issues over it, I appreciate it can be all about the position of the satelitte when the reading is taken, but if this is synchronised with other satelites , you should be able to get a solid location. Admit however i have little knowledge on this.

As I have recalled before when I became Secretary of a club back in 1972, the only pigeons I knew were in Trafalger Sq. and it used to intrigue me when fanciers used to say there's no way he should have 'x' amount of overfly on me........never realised what they were going on about until the above instance raised its head!!

It's awful when old friends fall out, I wish you well in trying to heal the rift.

[Guest]

Aggree totaly the good thing about our situation is they are great friends even when they are having a go about the distances iam right into the GPS and i have proved it is spot on with the locations i had heard that the rpra was going to give each region a GPS to loc. lofts so even if it was out by whatever all the lofts would be out by the same so in my mind it wouldnt matter but the 200yds thing is old news now that was just for the USA military the british satalites go up next year thats if they work this time i heard they put one up last year and it never worked you cat just send an engineer out to sort that must have cost a fortune dont think they will let that happen again