THE PIGEONS EYE

[phillips]

NOW A DAYS IN PIGEON RACING THE PIGEONS EYES ARE ALWAYS MESSED WITH YOU GO TO THE LOCAL CORN PLACE AND WHAT THEY GOT EYE FLUID FOR THE PIGEONS INCASE THEYVE TAKEN A BLOW IN THE EYE WHILST ON TRANSPORTER.THIS STUFF IS POINLESS THE BIRDS ARRIVE FROM THERE EGGS WITH GOOD EYES BESIDES, THE EYES HAVE THEIR OWN DEFENCE SYSTEM THATS HELPS MINER PROBLEMS SUCH AS DUST AND GERMS ECT ,WHEN THIS HAPPENS THE EYE RELEASES A TEAR DUCT AND CONTINUOSLY KEEPS RUNNING AND LOOKING WET ,SO WHAT HAPPENS US PIGEON FLYERS COME ALONG AND SCREAM ONE EYE COLD GET RID OV IT ,WELL DONT COS THIS WET LOOKING FLUID THAT COMES FROM THE EYE IS THERE FOR ONE REASON ITS CLEANING THE EYE AND THIS FLUID THAT COMES FROM THE EYE CONTAINS AN ENZYME THAT HATES GERMS AND KILLS THEM SO IF YOU EVER COME ACROSS THIS AT ANYTIME KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR POCKETS AND WITHIN 48 HRS THE EYE WILL BE FINE .CHEERS

[Guest]

Take your point but one or two bits in your post could be wrong - the tear glands are part of the birds immune system, and the fluid contains IGA [immunoglobulin A] which will normally kill anything, including the avian flu virus.

 

Tear gland - also called Harderian Gland - also secretes a substance which makes the tears stick to the surface of the eye forming a protective coating, a solid wall of water, so to speak.

 

So I think your point about not bothering to do anything about a runny eye could be wrong as it is a sign that something has gone wrong, and that solid wall of water might not be there and the bird exposed to further infection..

[phillips]

good point i do agree but what i was really saying is give them a chance and dont go spending for nothing

[bewted]

also,what about the tiny air bubbles in the fluid!!! this maybe differant than a pigeons eye getting pecked,?????

[phillips]

well this is now a different thing cos if the eye contains air bubbles then the pigeon has got a one eye cold and all it needs treating for then is canker cos canker is the cause of one eyed colds all i was saying about pigeons with wet eyes if there wet leave them dont spend and waste your money but like bruno mentioned keep your eye on it cos it does sometimes go flakey and crusty then you must take action cheers

[Guest]

Injury or illness? I think best way to tell if a pigeon has been pecked in the eye and injured during fighting is to look for damage to its eye cere and wattle. Usually there's blood on them and / or bits of skin missing from them.  

[bewted]

well,thats a new one on me,canker causing one eyed cold,,,,thought it was a vitamin deficiency of some sort,had a parrot with bubbles in the eye,was told it was lack of vitamins,

                     just dont take this the wrong way to start an arguement as like many on here,just trying to get my memory in gear from pigeon ailments from years ago!!!!

 

 

 

                                     ted

[Guest]

well this is now a different thing cos if the eye contains air bubbles then the pigeon has got a one eye cold and all it needs treating for then is canker cos canker is the cause of one eyed colds all i was saying about pigeons with wet eyes if there wet leave them dont spend and waste your money but like bruno mentioned keep your eye on it cos it does sometimes go flakey and crusty then you must take action cheers

 

just like to add that one eyed cold is a form of respiratory disease and like all or most other disease stem from CANKER which can never be erradicated from the pigeons body (silly to try) pigeons immune system should be allowed to develope to deal with it naturally

[Guest]

I would associate bubble with one eye cold. Like most other things, different opinions on what causes it from a draft to respiratory illness. Haven't seen it in 40 years.

 

Note what has been said about canker causing one eyed cold, first I've heard of it too. I've never seen canker.

 

I've always thought canker was a secondary illness, and a sign something else was afoot. For example trichomonads and chlamydia work together to cause disease in both humans and pigeons, but I think its chlamydia that I'd be frightened of; its a virus that causes respiratory illness in pigeons and sexually transmitted disease and infertility in humans.  

[Guest]

Hi Bruno I've always thought canker to be the root of all evil!! i.e. primary, I have no scientific knowledge however to back this up but over the years I've felt, if you don't overcrowd and you have a loft of half decent pigeons, you'll be disease free if you keep canker in check, if you don't I think you will get other problems etc.but that's my perspective and gut feeling, not based on science.

[Guest]

Hi Bruno I've always thought canker to be the root of all evil!! i.e. primary, I have no scientific knowledge however to back this up but over the years I've felt, if you don't overcrowd and you have a loft of half decent pigeons, you'll be disease free if you keep canker in check, if you don't I think you will get other problems etc.but that's my perspective and gut feeling, not based on science.

 

I've looked again at my post and I don't know why I said that I've always thought that canker was a secondary illness. Not true. I was pretty sh*t scared of canker in the 60's tho never ever saw it then (or since).

 

And in truth its really only in recent years that I started to question my previous understanding of canker, and it all started when I asked myself a simple question: why would the pigeon's immune system tolerate an organism in the pigeon's body that causes a fatal pigeon disease?

 

Part of the answer (and it has been posted many times on this forum by Roland and others) is that there are many different strains of trichomonas, and not all of them cause the disease, canker. But still takes us back to same question : why would the pigeon's immune system tolerate a 'parasite' in the pigeon's body?

 

And again only recently, Gordon Chalmers provided a paper that shows that the answers to my questions have been known for 50+ years from scientific experiments: only a few strains cause the disease, and the other non-disease-causing trichomonas when present in the pigeon at background levels confer immunity against those strains that cause the disease. Same principle as vaccination.

 

What people see are rising trichomonas levels, which is an indication that something else is at work in the bird: my opinion only - the immune system's 'attention' has been diverted to deal with that allowing trichomonas levels to rise.

 

Look for and cure the 'something else' and the trichomonas levels will fall again 'all by themselves'. That is why I have said it is a secondary illness - which again strictly speaking isn't correct either because remember these strains of trichomonas can't cause the disease canker anyway.  

 

And the concept of 'levels' is important in understanding what you are really dealing with - in the original experiment 50 years ago 1 infective organism was all it took to spark off canker and death in the bird. So why no canker with the 12 or so background level organisms my birds carry?