Always Hungry

[Guest]

 

good management and selective breeding will always have need to cull .

 

Not in my loft it doesn't,all my YB's have carded for me,then again I spent about 3 months planning all the pairings and my loft management is right.

[CHUNK73]

got to agree with eagle owl and paul i kept pigeons like that in 04 and 05 i noted them down they were all lost so last year and this year just disposed of them

[DOVEScot]

 

Yes let's just agree to disagree but if you have good loft management skills and breed selectively you shouldn't need to cull.

 

Aye chrissy your talking fancy where eagle owl is talking racers I think :-/

[Guest]

 

Aye chrissy your talking fancy where eagle owl is talking racers I think :-/

 

Makes no differance,many show fanciers breed vast numbers working on the principle that 1 or 2 might win .

[DOVEScot]

 

Makes no differance,many show fanciers breed vast numbers working on the principle that 1 or 2 might win .

 

Sadly that is the norm among show fanciers I have met :-/

[Guest]

this might upset a few (but not my intention) isnt it also possible that ur management maybe partly to blame for not scoring with some birds?

u have to ask urselves is it ur routine to blame for it?

i know we all like to think we know it all at times but sometimes we need to have a rethink.

if u have bought in birds as sprinters.are they really sprinters?..or could it be that the previous owner crossed them with a distance bird?

 

 

[Guest]

this might upset a few (but not my intention) isnt it also possible that ur management maybe partly to blame for not scoring with some birds?

u have to ask urselves is it ur routine to blame for it?

i know we all like to think we know it all at times but sometimes we need to have a rethink.

if u have bought in birds as sprinters.are they really sprinters?..or could it be that the previous owner crossed them with a distance bird?

 

take ya point paul ,BUT, if the birds you have are not winning or working to your system then you dont change your system to suit the birds do you you change the birds to suit the system  

 

[carl]

bollox geting rid off birds because  they are hungry,its management you need to look at,birds will be hungry this time of year with the moult etc.My birds dont get out after the racing season untill through the moult,the only thing they have to look forward to on a daily basis is a bath and FOOD,they love feeding time at the moment and they get plenty

[jimmy white]

bollox geting rid off birds because  they are hungry,its management you need to look at,birds will be hungry this time of year with the moult etc.My birds dont get out after the racing season untill through the moult,the only thing they have to look forward to on a daily basis is a bath and FOOD,they love feeding time at the moment and they get plenty

 

yip pigeons will eat differently at differant times of the year and under different circumstances , ie feeding young, recovering from hard time, and   MOULTING

[Guest]

Think wires are getting well and truly crossed here.  

 

Don't think Craig was talking about sick pigeons when he opened the thread, he was talking about the behaviour of one or two birds that seemed to think the 'corn is always better at the other feeder' until it gets there. sort of thing.

 

Eagle Owl I think was talking about the youngster 'going back' after leaving the nest, won't eat, squeaks all the time , looks for other youngsters same age as itself to feed it: agree, that is a bin case.

 

I was talking about what I was seeing in hungrier-than-normal hens that act & look as if they need & want fed by the shovelful. I think ====      ;D  hope  ;D that no-one is suggesting that I bin 20 birds cos they seem be hungry???  Like Craig I was only talking about observed behaviour and trying to understand it - the birds are definitely not starved and an hour or so later they are perfectly content on their perches with a full tho not bulging crop.  

 

 

 

 

[Guest CS]

Think wires are getting well and truly crossed here.  

 

Don't think Craig was talking about sick pigeons when he opened the thread, he was talking about the behaviour of one or two birds that seemed to think the 'corn is always better at the other feeder' until it gets there. sort of thing.

 

Eagle Owl I think was talking about the youngster 'going back' after leaving the nest, won't eat, squeaks all the time , looks for other youngsters same age as itself to feed it: agree, that is a bin case.

 

I was talking about what I was seeing in hungrier-than-normal hens that act & look as if they need & want fed by the shovelful. I think ====      ;D  hope  ;D that no-one is suggesting that I bin 20 birds cos they seem be hungry???  Like Craig I was only talking about observed behaviour and trying to understand it - the birds are definitely not starved and an hour or so later they are perfectly content on their perches with a full tho not bulging crop.  

 

 

 

 

 

Yes i was talking about the behaviour of one or two birds that seemed to think the 'corn is always better at the other feeder' until it gets there.

 

what i wanted to know whats your views about this...

 

Cheers

[jimmy_bulger]

hi craigster,

sounds to me like a bit or a worm prolblem mate,give em a good dose of moxidectin and see whet happens.

i wouldent kill just to be safe try things out then you learn.

just my thought .

jimmy

[Ed Bourque]

I hopper feed my birds they eat what they won't  they eat a little here and a little there, you can do this as long as you loft fly them 2 times a day. I would not cull them  because I let the basket do it for me. Ed

[THE FIFER]

sometimes u get this when u change feeding, ie, from racing to moulting etc, its a good idea to do this by mixing the 2 mixes for the start then break into the one u want.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

Makes no differance,many show fanciers breed vast numbers working on the principle that 1 or 2 might win .

 

And a lot of men racing do the same, breeding loads in the hope of a win which is futile because if the birds are not bred for it you are keeping loads for nothing,  obviously every bird that is kept won't win but a lot will put up performances that make them worthy of keeping, this is where one of your earlier posts on this thread about good management and selective breeding make a lot of sense, if you take a lot of time and try and plan from what has been your best birds in the previous season or seasons you are at least part way there and on the right track, also agree with comments by other members that killing birds because they see to more hungry is a nonsense, no two birds will eat the same at anytime of the year, when the birds are moulting the last thing I do is cut down the food asI think this is one of the most important times in the birds life and this is when the most care should be taken to look after them and feeding correctly is essential here

[pault]

I am sure many of you have found the same phenomenon in your own lofts at one stage or another. Sometimes you find that 1or 2 birds always seem hungry, they run from loft to loft as you throw the feed down, wings open and running over other birds too eat.

But they never seem to get what they need or never get enough.

 

Personally I cannot recall even once where these birds performed well.

 

Have any of you noticed this?

 

hi craig

lets get back to where it all started craigs question

if you are feeding the birds the right amount of feed say 11/2 ozs aday and all the other birds are ok with this the birds with there wings in the air are only eating the small seeds i will bet and will not have come on as good as the others and will be at a disadvantage from the start and will not be any good as racers or stock.

so do yourself a favour craig get rid

again only my opinion

[Guest TAMMY_1]

bollox geting rid off birds because  they are hungry,its management you need to look at,birds will be hungry this time of year with the moult etc.My birds dont get out after the racing season untill through the moult,the only thing they have to look forward to on a daily basis is a bath and FOOD,they love feeding time at the moment and they get plenty

 

Have to agree with you on this one.

[Guest]

lets get back to where it all started craigs question

 

if you are feeding the birds the right amount of feed say 11/2 ozs aday and all the other birds are ok with this the birds with there wings in the air are only eating the small seeds

 

I agree with this as the most probable reason for what you are seeing Criag, the bird is loading up on small seeds rather than grain.

 

Seed doesn't seem to kill hunger for as long as grain does, and it may even act as an appetiser making the bird feel even hungrier?

 

 

[Guest j.bamling]

best thing to do is put the birds on maple peas only and see what happens ?

if they are hungry up the protein i.e maple peas

[Guest TAMMY_1]

best thing to do is put the birds on maple peas only and see what happens ?

if they are hungry up the protein i.e maple peas

 

sounds a good thing to do, if there are no small seeds they will just eat whats there in front of them

[Guest j.bamling]

thats right tammy if they only have 1 grain they can only eat 1 grain and the birds should not be hungry if they are eating maple peas it will at least give you peace of mind ?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

thats right tammy if they only have 1 grain they can only eat 1 grain and the birds should not be hungry if they are eating maple peas it will at least give you peace of mind ?

 

forgot to add in my last post when I quoted you, if you want to up the protein it should be beans and not maple peas because maples are a lot higher in carbohydrates than protein, but principle is still the same, one foodstuff and there is no option but to eat it

[Guest j.bamling]

Could be that the bird is picking at just one kind of seed and not eating all the seeds in the mix.

 

yes could be but by only giving a high protein grain such as peas beans peanunts soy beans etc the birds should not be hungry

[pigeonscout]

I would be looking to the birds droppings to see if they were ok.

[Guest j.bamling]

I would be looking to the birds droppings and if they where ok I would not kill.

 

I agree !!