deep litter

[jimmy white]

 

Well most of us work and most of the birds are through the moult now,any more excuses? ;D ;D ;D

 

there are some darkess yb,s still to moult their last flights yet ,, sometimes if these dont get extra light , they wont moult that last flight till end of next year ,,so i would advice lights for this only

,, but wouldnt have lights as these birds with lights on will moult earlier next year :-/

[Guest]

 

there are some darkess yb,s still to moult their last flights yet ,, sometimes if these dont get extra light , they wont moult that last flight till end of next year ,,so i would advice lights for this only

,, but wouldnt have lights as these birds with lights on will moult earlier next year :-/

 

well if you didnt use gloves and just felt your way through the droppings with your fingers then it would STILL BE POSSIBLE TO CLEAN OUT EVERY DAY without disturbing the birds,hows that?

[Guest]

Take your point about the moult Jimmy, but I leave home when its dark and get home again when its dark. So the light has to go on sometime, and even then its happening when daylight is already breaking.

 

Maybe's half an hour of extra light - need to check them and you can't go stumbling about in the dark with food & water.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

well if you didnt use gloves and just felt your way through the droppings with your fingers then it would STILL BE POSSIBLE TO CLEAN OUT EVERY DAY without disturbing the birds,hows that?

 

Think it's a load of S--T   ;D

[jimmy white]

 

well if you didnt use gloves and just felt your way through the droppings with your fingers then it would STILL BE POSSIBLE TO CLEAN OUT EVERY DAY without disturbing the birds,hows that?

 

;D ;D ;D i scrape out every day ,,with a broken handled scraper ,, so i would just be as well doing that  ;D ;D ;D [buy a new one at blackpool ;D],,, no, i prefer to scrape  out every day if poss  

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

nice 1

 

 

 

u r 1 of us !!!!!!!!!!

 

BEST WAY HOMER

[Guest]

i think there needs to be a line drawn somewhere,i think that its best to leave it up to the fancier to wot he/she wants,.if u believe that by cleaning ur cot its more hygenic, then so be it. and if u use deep litter then so be it,...just 2 questions to the clean everyday members...do u think  that by cleaning ur birds everyday makes ur birds win better?...and do u think that by having deep litter makes ur birds have less chance of winning?

[jimmy white]

Take your point about the moult Jimmy, but I leave home when its dark and get home again when its dark. So the light has to go on sometime, and even then its happening when daylight is already breaking.

 

Maybe's half an hour of extra light - need to check them and you can't go stumbling about in the dark with food & water.

 

yes i agree bruno,, a happy medium    but some leave a light on [forgetting to put it off ] allmost like changing their seasons ,,, when needs must

[Guest TAMMY_1]

i think there needs to be a line drawn somewhere,i think that its best to leave it up to the fancier to wot he/she wants,.if u believe that by cleaning ur cot its more hygenic, then so be it. and if u use deep litter then so be it,...just 2 questions to the clean everyday members...do u think  that by cleaning ur birds everyday makes ur birds win better?...and do u think that by having deep litter makes ur birds have less chance of winning?

 

I SCRAPE MINE OUT EVERY DAY BECAUSE I HATE WALKING THROUGH sh**

[Guest]

 

I SCRAPE MINE OUT EVERY DAY BECAUSE I HATE WALKING THROUGH sh**

 

well thats entirely up to u tammy ,ur choice but if u havent got deep litter on ur floor then u would have to walk through sh!t.

i dont think this thread is getting anywhere and i think its best we all  must agree to dissagree! :)

[jimmy white]

i think there needs to be a line drawn somewhere,i think that its best to leave it up to the fancier to wot he/she wants,.if u believe that by cleaning ur cot its more hygenic, then so be it. and if u use deep litter then so be it,...just 2 questions to the clean everyday members...do u think  that by cleaning ur birds everyday makes ur birds win better?...and do u think that by having deep litter makes ur birds have less chance of winning?

 

i think this is a fair enough answer , if [whatever deep litter you use ] i use shavings plus  loft treatment laid on  a disenfected floor in one section,[bone dry ]with the worst raked out each day, and a light on,,,[these birds will not be raced] ,, this is for darknees yb,s i bought in, to moult fully out and breed early,, the other section is sraped out every day and def. no lights, and wont be paired till end of march    

[JSTOON]

Had to put the birds on deep litter ever since my dad was hospitalised and recovering after surgury. A lad who i know got me some deep litter in the form of dried up pellets, which breaks up as time goes on, and you just remove the muck from the top. Its the best stuff ive ever used, he gats it from out Goole way, i will find the actual name when i go back up the garden, as ive still a bag left. Ive never seen anything keep the huts as dry. Il update with the name of the product, it really is taht good. Simon

[Guest]

 

i think this is a fair enough answer , if [whatever deep litter you use ] i use shavings plus  loft treatment laid on  a disenfected floor in one section,[bone dry ]with the worst raked out each day, and a light on,,,[these birds will not be raced] ,, this is for darknees yb,s i bought in, to moult fully out and breed early,, the other section is sraped out every day and def. no lights, and wont be paired till end of march    

 

yea i use shavings too,,which i also spray,my shavings are bone dry too.any moisture from fresh sh!t is absorbed by the shavings whch drys very quickly.

cocci only builds up in damp/wet conditions and if regularly treated flooring/shavings there will be very little chance of cocci building up.

one of the main reasons for having dry flooring is because of cocci. which can multiply by thousands over night,

[Guest]

 

cocci only builds up in damp/wet conditions and if regularly treated flooring/shavings there will be very little chance of cocci building up.

one of the main reasons for having dry flooring is because of cocci. which can multiply by thousands over night,

 

Spot on. All organisms require moisture to flourish. In the case of cocci, it has to go thro the bird's gut twice before it becomes infective. When it comes out the first time it is still fairly harmless. It needs to stay in a damp environment (like a wet dropping or a damp patch under it) to allow it to develop into the infective stage. When the bird swallows the infective version , it could be in for trouble....

 

The dry environment is there to interrupt the cocci life cycle outside the bird. This is the logical and safest place to do it, which can't be said for treating the bird itself. An untreated bird with normal low levels of cocci is immune, it will hit cocci for 6, a constantly treated bird has no such immunity, and cocci will hit the bird for 6.

 

And it also applies to worms. Eggs can only develop in a damp environment, no infective eggs, then no worms. I've never treated for worms and I know from a loft-sample dropping test this year that my birds have none.

 

 

So that's how deep litter stops cross-infection. I would like to know what happens to all those scrapers, pans & brushes after the loft has been cleaned out. And I would also like to know what happens to those droppings ......

 

 

[Guest]

i think one way to look at the birds being in contact with their own droppings is ...when u have a shot off the docs for flu every winter.....wot is in that injection u have?...yes..its the flu virus in a small dose!!!...this is wot they do in all vaccines too,..the intended reason is for ur body to combat this virus ..if u like!  and over power it and learn about its makeup.so next time this virus comes along ur imune system will already have past knowledge of this and combats it ....hence the reason why top national flyers who use deep litter have it!

there are many arguments for either system u use on ur floors,...like floor grills which no one has so far mentioned.

a friend of mine had catchment boxes below all perches, that would allow any droppings to be collected in these boxes...these would be covered in wire grills and easily emptied by lifting up the boxes and scraping out....but he also had deep litter on the floors.

i think this arguement of which flooring is best shouldnt be an arguemnet because both ways are commonly used and there is no evidence that by cleaning ur floors each day makes ur birds more suceessful at racing. neither does it mean by using deep litter makes them any better at racing.

there are downsides to all types of flooring and i think u should have wot u like and respect wot someone else has.

all year round the only smell ur smell in my cot is garlic..which i commonly use throughout the year.

this im told by a top vet is good for keeping cocci count down and ive read up on it, and  that its  very good for racing as it cleans out any toxins in the blood.

i only use fresh cloves and put them directly into the drinker.

i know of a top fancier who swears by using garlic all year round... :)

[phillips]

Have used kiln dried sand for a few years now

i would recomend it,

all i do is sieve it once a week to remove all droppings,

 

ray

 

GONE WITH YOUR IDEA MATE AND USED KILN DRIED SAND

[Guest shadow]

ossie loft is good for deep litter it is kiln dried pellets of straw the only down side as it absorbs the droppings it eventualy breaks down and gets dusty that is the time to change it

[Guest]

 

I SCRAPE MINE OUT EVERY DAY BECAUSE I HATE WALKING THROUGH sh**

 

   i hate walking in it too, scrape the floor only takes a min  

[Guest j.bamling]

This is what my lofts have Grills both on the floor which is 8"inches off the floor

& also in the nestboxes !!

[Guest]

This is what my lofts have Grills both on the floor which is 8"inches off the floor

& also in the nestboxes !!

 

looks very nice  ...paul

 

 

[Guest]

This is what my lofts have Grills both on the floor which is 8"inches off the floor

& also in the nestboxes !!

 

Wondered how you maintained the area under the floor grill?

[Guest j.bamling]

The floor is cleaned twice a year the grids come up and it is bagged off the trays in the boxes are cleaned every other day

[Guest]

This is what my lofts have Grills both on the floor which is 8"inches off the floor

& also in the nestboxes !!

 

cracking boxes

[phillips]

This is what my lofts have Grills both on the floor which is 8"inches off the floor

& also in the nestboxes !!

 

cracking set up mate that is

[Guest]

I've tried the sand,always feels abit cold to me for the birds to walk on,looks good though and is fine till it gets damp then it is totally hopeless as it won't dry and is an ideal host for cocci.

Shavings are hopeless as they just blow about

I've used easi bed for the last 4 years and stuck with that as it suits me,doesn't blow about,is nice and warm and dry,keeps their feet nice,I still pick all the droppings off the top every day though