help wanted cant understand

[jimmy white]

ill bet there are many at this moment still waiting on fat hens laying   paired since beggining of the year    but as allways , with pigeons,, there is exception to the rule

[Guest IB]

I'm pleased to see some of your hens have laid - think that 'some' hens will always come through -these obviously did - and because of that I thought advice to split the pairs was wrong.

 

I agree with the posts on 'fat' pigeons being a no-no - is the difference the bird feeling 'heavy' / or 'bouyant' in the hand? I believe the real problem is we can't see where that internal fat is, or how carrying that extra ballast it affecting the bird's internal health. If the birds were 'fat' I think the advice to give them oil was also wrong - likely to have made fat birds even fatter?

 

 

[carl]

sounds like overweight hens to me,not sure if overweight cocks make any diferance the hen sould still lay,make sure 2/3 weeks before pairing the birds get at least 50% barley or have them on a depuritive for a few weeks before hand,i dont think its the weather as we have had very cold weather here in sunderland and all my birds went down spot on.i did have the same problem a few year ago and couldnt put my finger on why they wouldnt lay..

[Guest]

I think we are going to find out that this year for some strange reason most of us that have paired up now are experienceing the very same so if its fat hens there must be alot of lofts with big fat birds i think its more to do with the weather and the birds know that all my late breds finnaly went down yet 2 three year olds are still not down and i can tell you there not fat at all just one of they years!

[Merlin]

I have met with this problem in stock birds,just told to introduce 3 spare cocks,withing minutes stock cocks had perked up no end,next day most had started the nesting cycle. Do like to keep weight off of birds most of the time,but especially before going to nest,Nature also in agreement,hence the driving process,which can fade somewhat in older birds, this being reason for potential rivals, perks them up no end.

[carl]

Good point there from frankdooman,the older the birds the wiser.i bought a pair a marcelis from Brian wall 10 years old now,they messed me about when paired together this season i crossed them out with younger partners,they both down spot on,and both filled there eggs first round,i only got 1 youngbird from them last season as i gave in waiting in the end.