cat in the loft

[DOVEScot]

What are you taking the pi** for Dovescot?  I DO like Siamese cats, they're great little animals, highly intelligent, handsome and very affectionate.  That doesn't stop me smacking their backsides to train them out of bad habits though.   I've had pigeons since I was just past 7-y-o, and I'm 80 next year so that's a fair while. I still go pigeon shooting though, and have logged bags of well over 100 on many days out.  I cull injured birds, useless birds, sick birds with equal impartiality, it is a task that has to be done. Sentimentality is not permitted to interfere. I love(d) my late wife and kids, but as a trained professional regular soldier of 27 years I would not shirk from shooting human beings if the need arose.  So what's wrong with liking pussies then? LOL. Cheers, Bill.

 

This training took the form of a smack on the *expletive removed*, a shouted "NO" in their faces while I shook the sh** out of them, followed by three somersaults through the air to end in the middle of the fishpond. It took three such dips before my favourite Xuxa got the message, and when he did it stuck.

 

Sounds more like you scared the sh#t out of them, rather than trained them, sounds more like bully tactics than tough love to me :-/

 

 

[Guest]

Bilco, your writing skills impress me as ever! I hope when (if) i reach your age i'm as witty and still as skilled as yourself with such an intelligent head! It is a pleasure to read through your writings. We had a particularly good thread going a while back regarding old british strains, and i think your involvement in it would have been fantastic. Vic in particular was "on a roll" in that thread, and i think the two of you together would have been awesome! Welcome aboard, and i look forward to many more contributions from you both on here and pigeon land!

 

And for what its worth, theres nothing wrong with liking pussies!  ;D

[Guest]

Bilco, your writing skills impress me as ever! I hope when (if) i reach your age i'm as witty and still as skilled as yourself with such an intelligent head! It is a pleasure to read through your writings. We had a particularly good thread going a while back regarding old british strains, and i think your involvement in it would have been fantastic. Vic in particular was "on a roll" in that thread, and i think the two of you together would have been awesome! Welcome aboard, and i look forward to many more contributions from you both on here and pigeon land!

 

And for what its worth, theres nothing wrong with liking pussies!  ;D

 

Having said that, i must apologise for going off topic!

 

My feelings on the original topic are simply this; if any entity (animal or human) tresspasses into my territory (house or lofts etc) to do damage or harm to either me, my family, or my property, then i will defend to the best of my ability using whatever means necessary, whether they be lawful or unlawful. The offenders will be met and faced without an inch given, to the bitter end. Thats the way it is where i am from! I'm sure the majority on here will be of the same feeling! If you are worried about losing your cat, CONTROL IT responsibly, or accept the consequences!

 

 

[Bilco]

Thanks, Dicky Darky for the kind words.  I suppose Dovescot is quite right, my training WAS calculated to scare the sh** out of the cats, but it convinced them not to attack my pigeons.  To my mind the end justified the means, it worked, and we had 17 years of (I think) happy cats and contented pigeons. Once my mogs got the idea that the pigeons were not to be touched everything ran smoothly, and they (the cats) evinced no feelings that I could detect of being put out. If they were lying in the sun and a pigeon approached, the cats would sit up, look, then flop down and go back to sleep again. the pigeons walked round the cats and showed no signs of fear, though if a neighbour's cat came on the scene they flew off quickly.

[THE FIFER]

how u doing Bill, i still have the old photo of u with all the rings, you have proved cats can be trained  which is not a very easy thing to do, all the best good to have you on site,

[DOVEScot]

Thanks, Dicky Darky for the kind words.  I suppose Dovescot is quite right, my training WAS calculated to scare the sh** out of the cats, but it convinced them not to attack my pigeons.  To my mind the end justified the means, it worked, and we had 17 years of (I think) happy cats and contented pigeons. Once my mogs got the idea that the pigeons were not to be touched everything ran smoothly, and they (the cats) evinced no feelings that I could detect of being put out. If they were lying in the sun and a pigeon approached, the cats would sit up, look, then flop down and go back to sleep again. the pigeons walked round the cats and showed no signs of fear, though if a neighbour's cat came on the scene they flew off quickly.

 

I agree that you should train and control your cats to behave themselves around the birds, there is a guy in Dumfermline who has a cat that quite happily sleeps in the doorway to his loft. He bought it as a kitten and trained it that the birds were out of bounds to it. Any other cat that came near the loft it seen them off.

Bilco, I am glad, you have your own way, not mine I am happy to say, and you are a member that does not throw a tantrum because someone disagrees with you.

All the best

Dovescot

 

[JSTOON]

JSTOON, your a policman IF i understand right. and agreeing with someone to dispose or kill a cat is .. insitement to cause harm or cruelty to animals. which is what you are suppose to be against is it not?? and your suppose to be protecting us and upholding the law !!!  

 

A cat can be given to some child as a christmas present and the distress you would cause this child by killing and disposing of their cat Uknowingly to them, what would you do if some one shot your pigeons for landing on their roof... its their roof they got a right to protect it and shitting on their washing?? well ?? if you or anyone class cats as vermin as someone has stated , then look again because the last time I looked mate ... pigeons were classed as vermin RATS WITH WINGS!!!  and I dont care if the queen keeps pigeons , when was the last time you saw her in her loft or with a scrapper.. she has an obligation to keep them due to a previous monarch being given some as a gift. so IF you want to remain a police man act like one and stop talking out your a r s e.

 

Timbarra, you ought to be a Detective my son. ;D ;D

[Bilco]

Hi Archie, how you doing old friend? Yes, cats can be trained,  I think my father had it right (about the only thing he ever did get right in my opinion) when he said "If you ever have to strike a man, or beast, do it so bloody hard the first time you very rarely  have to do it again".  Having said that, we both worked in the late 1940's on Thoroughbred Studs, and I handled the stallions and he couldn't. The reason being that I only ever hit back, I did not start the argument, ever, but I finished a few. He made the mistake of starting training with a threat, I never used punishment unless it was earned.  Cats - like all animals - respect fairness, and discipline. As has been suggested elsewhere, a freezing and powerful cold blast from a power hose is a marvellous dissuader. My electric fence never sleeps, and cats respect that too. It seems to penetrate deep into their psyche, either on the way up or on the way down from 20,000 feet that electricity is powerful stuff. They seem capable of smelling its presence and stay well away after having touched a roof grid once.  My Eagle 100 system has been "aided" with a double strength resistance, which will lift a 2,000 lbs Hereford 18 inches clear of the ground if they touch it with their nose. Useful. My apology for the digression, but I feel it illuminates the explanation. Cheers, Bill.

[THE FIFER]

doing well. i have a couple of scarecrow water jets, they dont come back for them a second time, good to hear from you m8.

[ch pied]

Hi Archie, how you doing old friend? Yes, cats can be trained,  I think my father had it right (about the only thing he ever did get right in my opinion) when he said "If you ever have to strike a man, or beast, do it so bloody hard the first time you very rarely  have to do it again".  Having said that, we both worked in the late 1940's on Thoroughbred Studs, and I handled the stallions and he couldn't. The reason being that I only ever hit back, I did not start the argument, ever, but I finished a few. He made the mistake of starting training with a threat, I never used punishment unless it was earned.  Cats - like all animals - respect fairness, and discipline. As has been suggested elsewhere, a freezing and powerful cold blast from a power hose is a marvellous dissuader. My electric fence never sleeps, and cats respect that too. It seems to penetrate deep into their psyche, either on the way up or on the way down from 20,000 feet that electricity is powerful stuff. They seem capable of smelling its presence and stay well away after having touched a roof grid once.  My Eagle 100 system has been "aided" with a double strength resistance, which will lift a 2,000 lbs Hereford 18 inches clear of the ground if they touch it with their nose. Useful. My apology for the digression, but I feel it illuminates the explanation. Cheers, Bill.

bill , still think the wiper motor , is more effective ;)

 

 

[Guest IB]

Yes I well remember the old lady on TV catchphrase 'Walkeeeees' many moons ago who trained animals in much the same fashion as Bilco suggests, her 'tool' was a furry toy and if the cat or dog went for it, she battered the living daylights out of the animal with it - and it worked. Only thing that got injured was the animal's pride.

 

Agree and disagree with Timbarra. A cat is someone else's pet, maybe a child, maybe an old person who has no company other than that animal ... so deter rather than eliminate. But as a pre-teen and certainly pre-1962 well remember opening my dad's loft door one morning and finding utter carnage with 11 hens dead on the floor, only one half-eaten, the rest killed for the sheer joy of it, blood and feathers splattered everywhere. Another hen died next day, she had a wound under her wing which I had missed noticing the day before - she went in the same mass grave that day, the one I dug and the one I put the birds in.

 

And yes, we had a tabby cat at that time too. But she never went near the pigeons. Nor was she allowed to roam free to terrorise the neighbourhood's bird life. Its called responsible ownership of a known killing machine.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lennut Tar]

Yes I well remember the old lady on TV catchphrase 'Walkeeeees' many moons ago who trained animals in much the same fashion as Bilco suggests, her 'tool' was a furry toy and if the cat or dog went for it, she battered the living daylights out of the animal with it - and it worked. Only thing that got injured was the animal's pride.

 

Agree and disagree with Timbarra. A cat is someone else's pet, maybe a child, maybe an old person who has no company other than that animal ... so deter rather than eliminate. But as a pre-teen and certainly pre-1962 well remember opening my dad's loft door one morning and finding utter carnage with 11 hens dead on the floor, only one half-eaten, the rest killed for the sheer joy of it, blood and feathers splattered everywhere. Another hen died next day, she had a wound under her wing which I had missed noticing the day before - she went in the same mass grave that day, the one I dug and the one I put the birds in.

 

And yes, we had a tabby cat at that time too. But she never went near the pigeons. Nor was she allowed to roam free to terrorise the neighbourhood's bird life. Its called responsible ownership of a known killing machine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even I remember the Walkeeees show here  ;D ;D ;D Didn't work on my dog thou  : : : & I assume ????? many here, can relate to the last part of your comment etc above. "Unfortunately" for what I have seen & witnessed  just like you & others here. Many of them !!!!!! wouldn't know what the word (Responsibilty) meant. Because of this attitude etc, I will continue to use my method of education   ;) , for the forseeable future.

Enjoy.

 

 

[Bilco]

Ch Pied from Ireland . . . have you been at the potcheen ?  The wiper motor is for hawks, not pussies!   I have just finished building another for a friend, he was so impressed with the test model.  £5 for a motor, £7.99 for a wiper dwell unit  (Adapted to 30 and 60 seconds)from Maplins, £4 for a decent 12v battery, and of course a couple of Fenns at £5 ea.  Less than £30 the lot, and it works for as long as the battery runs . . .   and with a recharger in the loft, that is one lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n-g time.

[ch pied]

Ch Pied from Ireland . . . have you been at the potcheen ?  The wiper motor is for hawks, not pussies!   I have just finished building another for a friend, he was so impressed with the test model.  £5 for a motor, £7.99 for a wiper dwell unit  (Adapted to 30 and 60 seconds)from Maplins, £4 for a decent 12v battery, and of course a couple of Fenns at £5 ea.  Less than £30 the lot, and it works for as long as the battery runs . . .   and with a recharger in the loft, that is one lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n-g time.

bill , try one from a volvo truck ,  ;D ;D

 

 

[DOVEScot]

Yes I well remember the old lady on TV catchphrase 'Walkeeeees' many moons ago who trained animals in much the same fashion as Bilco suggests, her 'tool' was a furry toy and if the cat or dog went for it, she battered the living daylights out of the animal with it - and it worked. Only thing that got injured was the animal's pride.

 

Agree and disagree with Timbarra. A cat is someone else's pet, maybe a child, maybe an old person who has no company other than that animal ... so deter rather than eliminate. But as a pre-teen and certainly pre-1962 well remember opening my dad's loft door one morning and finding utter carnage with 11 hens dead on the floor, only one half-eaten, the rest killed for the sheer joy of it, blood and feathers splattered everywhere. Another hen died next day, she had a wound under her wing which I had missed noticing the day before - she went in the same mass grave that day, the one I dug and the one I put the birds in.

 

And yes, we had a tabby cat at that time too. But she never went near the pigeons. Nor was she allowed to roam free to terrorise the neighbourhood's bird life. Its called responsible ownership of a known killing machine.

 

 

 

 

 

Never seen her shake the living daylights out of them or chuck them in a pond or water, must have missed that episode :-/

[Lennut Tar]

 

Never seen her shake the living daylights out of them or chuck them in a pond or water, must have missed that episode :-/

 

 

Now Now !!!!!!! :) ;) ;D ;D Lets not get our tail up   :D   (Like a pussy cat) my mate !!!!!!. As wise as they are   :P Bilco & others here ????? may have to be educated  ;D ;D ;D somewhat, to the way some of us think etc (We are different ????, to other sites) at times. But I'm quite sure they will twig  8) 8) 8) pretty damm quick.

Enjoy.

 

 

[Bilco]

Chacun a son gout . . . variety is the spice of life. Three cheers for 'la grande difference'. LOL.

[DOVEScot]

Chacun a son gout . . . variety is the spice of life. Three cheers for 'la grande difference'. LOL.

 

Quick, here's Bilco coming, get yer eyes off them pigeons ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Lennut Tar]

 

Quick, here's Bilco coming, get yer eyes off them pigeons ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

 

;D ;D ;D :D But dere is eyes ????? & dere is Eyes ?????? as many well know here, & I'm getting a wee bit confused now. But at least we do  know !!!!!, our partner in crime/mate Bilco ?????  has a good remedy on hand, which ever them dere eyes belong to.  ;D ;D ;D.

PS. Webmaster !!!!!! Please tidy up this site etc, (Do something quick) some are trying to turn it into a Walkeeees show (Barbara Woodhouse) & comedy capers etc, one could say, & we would never want that here   :) . It's serious stuff   :P as you well know.

Enjoy.