cat in the loft

[JSTOON]

go to    http://www.cat-repellant.info/index.html

 

this will give you all the methods to keep them away, and all legal.

 

Good on you mate, had a look at the site and seems good. i must admit 10 years ago i was given a very expensive repellant from a deceased fanciers wife, and i never did see a cat, however at this time i had a wild cat have kittens under the huts which was an absolute nightmare at the time, and took a long time to shift. You have to make sure that the antena covers all around the huts.

 

 

[JSTOON]

if a cat gets in and kills my birds are the owners lible

 

 

Take it from an officer of the law who does know what hes talking about, and the answer is no, owners cannot be liable for their cats doing, only dogs, and that is when they attack humans and or dogs. its the same if you knock a cat down with your car(by accident of course before somebody gets on their high horse again), you dont have to report the matter and/or stop, only for dogs. Not bad for a LOOSER and WASTER,if im right in thinking its me who the comments were aimed at.

 

[p charlton]

chears

[Guest chrisss]

 

 

Take it from an officer of the law who does know what hes talking about, and the answer is no, owners cannot be liable for their cats doing, only dogs, and that is when they attack humans and or dogs. its the same if you knock a cat down with your car(by accident of course before somebody gets on their high horse again), you dont have to report the matter and/or stop, only for dogs. Not bad for a LOOSER and WASTER,if im right in thinking its me who the comments were aimed at.

 

if any of the local cats near me get knocked down then i am liable TO HAVE A  HUGE PARTY   :D :D :D

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Timbarra,

 

Well put, and a good point of view.

 

Rab

[THE FIFER]

 

 

Take it from an officer of the law who does know what hes talking about, and the answer is no, owners cannot be liable for their cats doing, only dogs, and that is when they attack humans and or dogs. its the same if you knock a cat down with your car(by accident of course before somebody gets on their high horse again), you dont have to report the matter and/or stop, only for dogs. Not bad for a LOOSER and WASTER,if im right in thinking its me who the comments were aimed at.

 

there is in scotland about free roaming creetiures, and cats come into it i had the act a few weks ago but cant find it but will have a look for it, i remember the section covering cats wre, if the are causing a nuisence in a public place and you know the owner you report it to your local council who will deal with it, if its on private land such as back gardens etc you get a court order for the owner to keep them away,

 

 

[Bilco]

I went to HotRod in Newton Abbot, and bought an electric fence generator (Eagle 100) and it has belted out a spark every second, day and night, for the last 19 years. That spark has been channelled through a wire Twilweld grid on the loft roof (a foot wide) and three inches away from that another Twilweld grid is earthed. The cat walks across the first one, but when it touches the next it completes the circuit.  Once is enough, they never come back for a second dose.   If the outer grid is the positive one, and you also wire the fence or wall that the cat uses to access the roof, they get a shock trying to scale to the roof, same result. The number of cats that have tried to cross it are legion, and the birds stay safe. Think cat and use the same pattern of touch and go round the garden and your birds are safe 365 days/nights a year. Cheers, Bill.

[cock o the north]

Get a cat your self put it in with the doos as a kitten let the doos peck it for a while just enough so it will never bother them again. and when this cat is older it will keep the rest away

[Guest IB]

The link Fifer put up for the Law in Scotland is:

 

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library/documents-w2/hanp-14.htm

 

Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 - section 49: this provides that any person who suffers or permits any creature in his charge to cause danger or injury to any other person who is in a public place or to give such a person reasonable cause for alarm or annoyance shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 2 (currently £500).

 

Section 49 also provides that a district court, if satisfied that any creature kept in the vicinity of any place where a person resides is giving that person reasonable cause for annoyance, may make an order requiring the person keeping the creature to take, within such period as may be specified in the order, such steps (short of destruction of the creature) to prevent the continuance of the annoyance as may be so specified. Any person who fails to comply with the order is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 3 (currently £1,000).

 

So if you are being pestered by a cat in Scotland, you can take legal steps to have it stopped.

[DAVE1975]

 

Careful Dave 1975 !!!!!!! Just remember now, "The Law"  ;D ;D ;D could be looking over your shoulder here at times, as some of us know. So careful what you say   :P.

Now ?????? I'm a great cat lover also, just like you I believe   :D , & it just so happens !!!!!, that I live in an area (Back yard) where on any given day I can sit & watch an amazing amount of bird life etc from an eagle right down to the smallest of finches etc , no bigger than your thum so to speak. Because of this !!!!!! One of my duties in life is to educate any cat (No neighbour is excluded) which may pop into my back yard etc for a visit & a friendly chat, & I have a system in place which has never failed me & not once has one ever come back for a second visit   :) So I will tell you what it is  ;D ;D ;D & it's goe's something like this  : : : 1 Cat, 1 Bag, 1 exhaust pipe   :D & 1 rubbish bin & I would recommend it to anyone here with a wee cat problem & I will even give a 100% money back guarantee of success.

Enjoy    

 

 

whats to be careful about ?

i have not done anythin wrong just an idea or opinion

but theres only 3 things i hate and that is cats rats and mice

i have about 15 cats that sit watchin my birds 4 houses up an down the street

an all i can say is if 1 takes a bird the owner has got to pay 4 it

which i think is fair

 

[Lennut Tar]

I went to HotRod in Newton Abbot, and bought an electric fence generator (Eagle 100) and it has belted out a spark every second, day and night, for the last 19 years. That spark has been channelled through a wire Twilweld grid on the loft roof (a foot wide) and three inches away from that another Twilweld grid is earthed. The cat walks across the first one, but when it touches the next it completes the circuit.  Once is enough, they never come back for a second dose.   If the outer grid is the positive one, and you also wire the fence or wall that the cat uses to access the roof, they get a shock trying to scale to the roof, same result. The number of cats that have tried to cross it are legion, and the birds stay safe. Think cat and use the same pattern of touch and go round the garden and your birds are safe 365 days/nights a year. Cheers, Bill.

 

Bilco !!!!!! Interesting comment & has some merit in my view, for the pigeons at least. "But" My back yard is a bird haven (paradise) parrots rosellas finches galahs cockatoos, you name it I've got it so to speak, & I do not appreciate any of them being stalked by any cat at any time. Even if it is nature in it's raw form, & especially when I'm sitting in my lounge room & 6ft away I'm watching all my pets (birds/wildlife)  being stalked by a cat etc. So I will never, apoligize for any action which I may take in regard to cats, which are allowed to roam free etc.

To all you cat lovers here "Enjoy Them" I don't have a problem with that etc. But keep them inside or in a cat cage or on a leed if you want to let them run around etc outside, & we all will be happy ????? & you may like to think of it in this way. If every cat eat one bird per day of every day of every year,

(Which they do on average) what a wonderful world we would live in  ;D ;D ;D "For the cats".

Enjoy.

 

 

[Lennut Tar]

 

whats to be careful about ?

i have not done anythin wrong just an idea or opinion

but theres only 3 things i hate and that is cats rats and mice

i have about 15 cats that sit watchin my birds 4 houses up an down the street

an all i can say is if 1 takes a bird the owner has got to pay 4 it

which i think is fair

 

;D ;D ;D slow down a bit Dave1975,   :) have a good read here   :D & you should see ???? who I have in mind etc  :X :X :X & all I will say is !!!!!! I think we are pretty safe from the law here  ;D ;D ;D from what I've read.

Enjoy

 

 

[THE FIFER]

The link Fifer put up for the Law in Scotland is:

 

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library/documents-w2/hanp-14.htm

 

Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 - section 49: this provides that any person who suffers or permits any creature in his charge to cause danger or injury to any other person who is in a public place or to give such a person reasonable cause for alarm or annoyance shall be guilty of an offence and liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 2 (currently £500).

 

Section 49 also provides that a district court, if satisfied that any creature kept in the vicinity of any place where a person resides is giving that person reasonable cause for annoyance, may make an order requiring the person keeping the creature to take, within such period as may be specified in the order, such steps (short of destruction of the creature) to prevent the continuance of the annoyance as may be so specified. Any person who fails to comply with the order is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 3 (currently £1,000).

 

So if you are being pestered by a cat in Scotland, you can take legal steps to have it stopped.

 

 

cheers m8 new i had it somewhere

 

 

[schouwman71]

No wonder Timbarra is kicking so much of a stink up on here,they breed a rare type of cat and they sell for quit a lot of money.

[carlsberg]

 

 

Take it from an officer of the law who does know what hes talking about, and the answer is no, owners cannot be liable for their cats doing, only dogs, and that is when they attack humans and or dogs. its the same if you knock a cat down with your car(by accident of course before somebody gets on their high horse again), you dont have to report the matter and/or stop, only for dogs. Not bad for a LOOSER and WASTER,if im right in thinking its me who the comments were aimed at.

does it count if you aim for them

 

[DOVEScot]

I HAVE HAD CATS TAKE PIGEONS , BUT I NEVER KILLED A CAT !! I WONT LOWER MYSELF AND AS FOR MR CUMBERNAULD, I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN ENTIRELY. NOW THIS FELLA HAS MY REPECT.

 

SOME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE NICE BUT BY LARGE MOST ARE COMPLETE WASTERS AND LOSERS.

 

ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU GET ON HERE THAT MAKE ME WANNA PACK IT IN , NOT CATS OR HAWKS BUT PEOPLE WITH STUPID ATTITUDES AND IDEAS.

 

GOD HOW DO SOME OF YOU GET ALONG IN LIFE ???

 

Timbara, I am all for freedom of speech on the site and you have a right to your opinion, whether it be the majority or minority does not make it right or wrong, it just makes it yours, Personally I would not kill anything for the sake of it, but I have a right to defend what is mine, whether it be an opinion or piece of property.

I have asked neighbours who sympathise with me on the cats pestering the birds and asked them to put a bell on the collar to alert the birds(thanks to Ferry). Those that do not sympathise then they deserve the same treatment.

I know you have a vested interest in cats as you are a cat breeder http://www.timbarra.co.uk/

[Guest chrisss]

i also have an interest in cats but i can't eat more than 2 of them

[DOVEScot]

i also have an interest in cats but i can't eat more than 2 of them

 

Amature ;D ;D ;D

[Guest chrisss]

i don't know where you got my photo from but if you send it back i will sign it for you :D :D

[JSTOON]

 

;D ;D ;D slow down a bit Dave1975,   :) have a good read here   :D & you should see ???? who I have in mind etc  :X :X :X & all I will say is !!!!!! I think we are pretty safe from the law here  ;D ;D ;D from what I've read.

Enjoy

 

 

 

I work where Life On Mars is a reality :o , the good side of the law. Whod have thought Cat Trouble would cause such a COO. The law in Scotland Fiscal, has totally different powers and acts to ourselves, if the truth be known, theyve got it sorted. so it first hand at G8 ;D ;D

 

[Lennut Tar]

 

 

I work where Life On Mars is a reality :o , the good side of the law. Whod have thought Cat Trouble would cause such a COO. The law in Scotland Fiscal, has totally different powers and acts to ourselves, if the truth be known, theyve got it sorted. so it first hand at G8 ;D ;D

 

 

I never saw you ??????, when I was on Mars etc Jstoon   ;) I must have missed you  ;D ;D ;D. But it certaintly does give one at times, a different outlook on life doesn't it   :D To some here.

Enjoy.

 

 

[timbarra]

JSTOON, your a policman IF i understand right. and agreeing with someone to dispose or kill a cat is .. insitement to cause harm or cruelty to animals. which is what you are suppose to be against is it not?? and your suppose to be protecting us and upholding the law !!!  

 

A cat can be given to some child as a christmas present and the distress you would cause this child by killing and disposing of their cat Uknowingly to them, what would you do if some one shot your pigeons for landing on their roof... its their roof they got a right to protect it and shitting on their washing?? well ?? if you or anyone class cats as vermin as someone has stated , then look again because the last time I looked mate ... pigeons were classed as vermin RATS WITH WINGS!!!  and I dont care if the queen keeps pigeons , when was the last time you saw her in her loft or with a scrapper.. she has an obligation to keep them due to a previous monarch being given some as a gift. so IF you want to remain a police man act like one and stop talking out your a r s e.

[Bilco]

Hold on Timbarra. Just because Jstoon is a slop doesn't mean he has to think all the time like one. He has a mind of his own and is entitled to his opinion, as you are to yours (or isn't he allowed to have one in your view?)  I like Siamese cats, and have had several in my lifetime, they all had to be trained NOT to touch the pigeons though.  This training took the form of a smack on the *expletive removed*, a shouted "NO" in their faces while I shook the sh** out of them, followed by three somersaults through the air to end in the middle of the fishpond. It took three such dips before my favourite Xuxa got the message, and when he did it stuck. He would step off the path for a pigeon, or even look inside the loft, note everything going on and then continue walking round the garden.  He lived to a ripe old age (17) before falling ill to Hyperthyroidism.  He still chased sparrows though! He was terrified of Seagulls, they came at him up on the rooftop with their huge beaks snapping and he fled from them. It takes all sorts, and none of us has a divine right to judge.  Domestic pigeons have a right to be protected (which is why I hate birds of prey so much) but I don't go looking for birds of prey to kill them, I do however reserve the right of self defence, and damn the bad Law that says I may not defend my property.  Jstoon would come looking for me if he knew I was guilty of that, daft isn't it?  Cheers, Bill.

[DOVEScot]

Hold on Timbarra. Just because Jstoon is a slop doesn't mean he has to think all the time like one. He has a mind of his own and is entitled to his opinion, as you are to yours (or isn't he allowed to have one in your view?)  I like Siamese cats, and have had several in my lifetime, they all had to be trained NOT to touch the pigeons though.  This training took the form of a smack on the *expletive removed*, a shouted "NO" in their faces while I shook the sh** out of them, followed by three somersaults through the air to end in the middle of the fishpond. It took three such dips before my favourite Xuxa got the message, and when he did it stuck. He would step off the path for a pigeon, or even look inside the loft, note everything going on and then continue walking round the garden.  He lived to a ripe old age (17) before falling ill to Hyperthyroidism.  He still chased sparrows though! He was terrified of Seagulls, they came at him up on the rooftop with their huge beaks snapping and he fled from them. It takes all sorts, and none of us has a divine right to judge.  Domestic pigeons have a right to be protected (which is why I hate birds of prey so much) but I don't go looking for birds of prey to kill them, I do however reserve the right of self defence, and damn the bad Law that says I may not defend my property.  Jstoon would come looking for me if he knew I was guilty of that, daft isn't it?  Cheers, Bill.

 

Bilco,that's what I like to see, a cat lover like you

[Bilco]

What are you taking the pi** for Dovescot?  I DO like Siamese cats, they're great little animals, highly intelligent, handsome and very affectionate.  That doesn't stop me smacking their backsides to train them out of bad habits though.   I've had pigeons since I was just past 7-y-o, and I'm 80 next year so that's a fair while. I still go pigeon shooting though, and have logged bags of well over 100 on many days out.  I cull injured birds, useless birds, sick birds with equal impartiality, it is a task that has to be done. Sentimentality is not permitted to interfere. I love(d) my late wife and kids, but as a trained professional regular soldier of 27 years I would not shirk from shooting human beings if the need arose.  So what's wrong with liking pussies then? LOL. Cheers, Bill.