Becoming a seller - clear up

[Webmaster]

 

But that is a problem that arises on the site someone should lend a helping hand on the site, especially the newbes who are the raw meat for these guys

 

I just don't think PM'ing them is the safest way to post them :-/

 

We will give a helping hand to anyone who asks, as no doubt the majority of the forum membership would do the same.

 

PM'ing - honestly I cant think of many safer ways

[DOVEScot]

 

We will give a helping hand to anyone who asks, as no doubt the majority of the forum membership would do the same.

 

Aye but newbes don't know who or how to ask :-/

 

 

PM'ing - honestly I cant think of many safer ways

 

If it involves a human then you better believe it is open to corruption ;)

[THE FIFER]

 

You're right; to sell something a seller has to give out details, but what details and how they do that is up to them. We're not going to hold people's hands in the selling or buying process, but we are an extra security for the buyer when all else fails. Once more we are able to vet the sellers on here, and if something does go wrong stop them from using the for sale section again.

 

Regarding access to the details. I dont have time to reliably run the approval process, therefore by far the next best thing is for Gemma to do it for me. I have complete knowledge physically where the computer is, and how the security software is setup on it. If a seller isn't happy giving us their details, they must be unhappy about any 'buyer' getting their details, and therefore wouldn't want to be a seller anyway :-/

 

 

I think this post explains all, and I am sure any seller will be happy regarding the sites regulations on selling, and they are made aware of them before they do, so its up to them if they want to sell or if they have any questions I am sure Gemma will be only too pleased to answer them, and I am sure they will be happy to use the site for selling their birds with success.

 

 

[DOVEScot]

Im not likely to be putting anything up for sale but surely anyone that wants to sell birds would want to put the name they fly under especially if they got some decent performances cant understand why anyone that is advertising birds wouldnt want to put who they actually are

 

Correct, why come on the site under an AKA and try to sell birds if you are proud of what you are selling :-/

[johnny11]

What do you require to give in the way of donation for selling????

 

John

[grizzle_hen]

Donations/Fees

As a seller you are required to give a bit back for every sale you make through Pigeonbasics - it's only fair

- Private Sellers - upon the receipt of each successful sale you are requested to send a donation of the amount your item was sold for. OR You make a donation to our charity auctions held at various times of the year.

- Professional Seller - before you are approved as a seller on Pigeonbasics a fee of £20 is to be made. This is a per year sum. If at any time during that year you sell more than £300 or 12 birds you will be required to make a donation of 10% of any subsequent sale (or donate to our charity auctions).

 

Donations/Fees can be made through Paypal (to webmaster@pigeonbasics.com) or a cheque via the postman (PM for address).

 

[johnny11]

Sorry Grizzle Hen

 

Im a bit confused if i sold something for £30 am i to send a donation of £30???? I may be a bit dumb but it reads like that to me.

[grizzle_hen]

It's ok, I typed it up wrong.

 

Its meant to read, a donation of 10% of what you sold, so £3 from a £30 sale. And this donation can be via paypal or cheque and can be done say at the end of the year when you've had a few sales.

[DOVEScot]

Donations/Fees

As a seller you are required to give a bit back for every sale you make through Pigeonbasics - it's only fair

- Private Sellers - upon the receipt of each successful sale you are requested to send a donation of the amount your item was sold for. OR You make a donation to our charity auctions held at various times of the year.

- Professional Seller - before you are approved as a seller on Pigeonbasics a fee of £20 is to be made. This is a per year sum. If at any time during that year you sell more than £300 or 12 birds you will be required to make a donation of 10% of any subsequent sale (or donate to our charity auctions).

 

Donations/Fees can be made through Paypal (to webmaster@pigeonbasics.com) or a cheque via the postman (PM for address).

 

So private sellers are going to pay £30 for £300 worth of birds and professional sellers are going to pay £20 for £300 pounds worth of birds :-/

[grizzle_hen]

The £20 paid by a professional seller is per year and a private seller may not sell as much as £300 worth of birds per year (and if they are then they should really classify themselves as professional).

 

I'll check with Richard when he gets back in (gone to help with the pigeons coming back in)

[DOVEScot]

The £20 paid by a professional seller is per year and a private seller may not sell as much as £300 worth of birds per year (and if they are then they should really classify themselves as professional).

 

I'll check with Richard when he gets back in (gone to help with the pigeons coming back in)

 

£300 hardly labeling one as a professional, that's roughly £6 a week, your needing to see Richard about upping your allowance :D   ;D ;D ;D

 

Still a prfessional still only pays £20 for selling £300 worth of birds :-/ :-/ :-/

[Webmaster]

Yep, it must have been a long day at work the day I drew up the details I've now edited it to reflect what I want it to say!

 

Definitions

- Professional Seller - someone who makes a living from selling pigeons or pigeon equipment, or breeds birds to sell. You may be deemed a professional if you sell more than £360 or 12 birds per year through Pigeonbaiscs.

- Private Seller - someone who does not fit the definition above and sell less than £360/12 birds per year.

You may transfer from a private, to a professional seller by your activity on these boards.

 

High value single items such as lofts may be treated on an individual basis - contact Gemma or myself.

 

Donations/Fees

As a seller you are required to give a bit back for every sale you make through Pigeonbasics - it's only fair

- Private Sellers - upon the receipt of each successful sale you are requested to send a donation from the amount your item was sold for (we suggest ~10%). If an item is of small value you may wait until further sales have completed. OR You make a donation to our charity auctions held at various times of the year.

- Professional Seller - before you are approved as a seller on Pigeonbasics a fee of £20 is to be made. This is a per year sum. If at any time during that year you sell more than £200 or 12 birds you will be required to make a donation of ~10% of any subsequent sale (or donate at least an equivalent amount to our charity auctions).

 

Donations/Fees can be made through Paypal (to webmaster@pigeonbasics.com) or a cheque via the postman (PM for address).

 

The reason for the £360 = professional definition is that a regular fancier may breed a couple of pairs to sell, or missed putting pot eggs in so sells them on. But in breeding more than 12 that are sold it is assumed that you are breeding to sell, which I'd deem 'professional'

[DOVEScot]

Yep, it must have been a long day at work the day I drew up the details I've now edited it to reflect what I want it to say!

 

 

 

The reason for the £360 = professional definition is that a regular fancier may breed a couple of pairs to sell, or missed putting pot eggs in so sells them on. But in breeding more than 12 that are sold it is assumed that you are breeding to sell, which I'd deem 'professional'

 

I still think that selling £360 and not making  from the sale of birds, even that amount is no where near defining a fancier as a professional :-/

 

[Webmaster]

 

I still think that selling £360 and not making  from the sale of birds, even that amount is no where near defining a fancier as a professional :-/

 

I dont fully understand your point here 'not making from the birds'.

 

The definition of professional is just for selling here on Pigeonbasics, I'm not saying a fancier by selling over £360 is a professional in any other sense of the word

 

If you've got a good idea on how to split it, please share. I'll use it if I agree

[DOVEScot]

 

I dont fully understand your point here 'not making from the birds'.

 

The definition of professional is just for selling here on Pigeonbasics, I'm not saying a fancier by selling over £360 is a professional in any other sense of the word

 

If you've got a good idea on how to split it, please share. I'll use it if I agree

 

When you sell 36 youngsters at a tenner each and deduct the corn from the feeding them you are basically giving them away

 

If you make £360 pounds a year from selling birds then that is hardly a profession

 

We know the professional sellers amongst us that only use the site to post their birds they are the ones that should be made to pay along with the studs, the rest should asked for a donation to charity :-/

[Webmaster]

 

When you sell 36 youngsters at a tenner each and deduct the corn from the feeding them you are basically giving them away

 

If you make £360 pounds a year from selling birds then that is hardly a profession

 

If someone decides to run at such a loss as that - 36 birds @ £10 that is up to them :-/

 

If you make £360 or sell more than 12 birds a year it certainly isnt a hobby anymore, you are making money, even if it is small and even if it goes towards your corn bill.

 

We know the professional sellers amongst us that only use the site to post their birds they are the ones that should be made to pay along with the studs, the rest should asked for a donation to charity :-/

That's pretty much as it is now :-/

[superstar]

 

If someone decides to run at such a loss as that - 36 birds @ £10 that is up to them :-/

 

If you make £360 or sell more than 12 birds a year it certainly isnt a hobby anymore, you are making money, even if it is small and even if it goes towards your corn bill.

 

 

That's pretty much as it is now :-/

 

Well I am in a slightly tight position finacially and was intending to offer all my non-flying out stock birds for sale on this site, 12 pairs in all, in order to cut costs and carry on flying in this sport for a little longer. In order to do this I will have to send you £20 in advance +10% of money over the £360 ceiling you have set, if I sell the pairs at £100 a pair that will be another £84, it will work out cheeper to have half a page in the British Homing world! (£84.10 including VAT) I am not a profesional seller and have no intention of being one, yet this will class me as just that! I have as you know not only been helped by this site but also donated birds to go towards helping others, which has been a pleasure to give something back but I feel this is becomming a little comercialised now. I can see the sort of seller you are aiming this at but it isnt always the case. The price I quoted above is what my asking price would have been and trust me NO WAY am I making money on them, I shudder to think what the financial loss to my pocket over the years would be! Sorry to have to say it but you have priced me out of the market

[grizzle_hen]

The idea of having professional sellers is purely for those that make a living out of selling pigeons, and its hard to put a price cut off on this to say yes you are a professional seller, but superstar you are not making a living out of selling pigeons, so would not be classified as a professional seller

[Webmaster]

 

Well I am in a slightly tight position finacially and was intending to offer all my non-flying out stock birds for sale on this site, 12 pairs in all, in order to cut costs and carry on flying in this sport for a little longer. In order to do this I will have to send you £20 in advance +10% of money over the £360 ceiling you have set, if I sell the pairs at £100 a pair that will be another £84, it will work out cheeper to have half a page in the British Homing world! (£84.10 including VAT) I am not a profesional seller and have no intention of being one, yet this will class me as just that! I have as you know not only been helped by this site but also donated birds to go towards helping others, which has been a pleasure to give something back but I feel this is becomming a little comercialised now. I can see the sort of seller you are aiming this at but it isnt always the case. The price I quoted above is what my asking price would have been and trust me NO WAY am I making money on them, I shudder to think what the financial loss to my pocket over the years would be! Sorry to have to say it but you have priced me out of the market

 

As you say Mark, you have donated to the site in the past, and would be waived the £20 to become a seller even if you stated you were a professional. The 10% figure is a ball park suggestion, equally if you sold something for £10 we wouldn't expect a cheque for £1 (wait until you sold more or donate a bird to the charity sales), and say if your 12 pairs went for £80 each = £960. £96 donation isnt required as long as a donation is made everyone is happy.

 

The reason for the 10% recommended is (1) a lot of people were asking how much did they need to donate, and (2) some of the other pigeon sale sites charge listing fees, final value fees or a % of upto nearly 20% for similar services - we dont think a ball park 10% is excessive.

 

[Peckedhen]

I am becoming very confused  .... I advertised once early in the year and since then have been inundated with requests for birds. Already people are asking for 2009 birds...I would not class myself as a professional seller ...am I one?    :-/  

[DOVEScot]

The idea of having professional sellers is purely for those that make a living out of selling pigeons, and its hard to put a price cut off on this to say yes you are a professional seller, but superstar you are not making a living out of selling pigeons, so would not be classified as a professional seller

 

How on earth is selling £360 worth of birds making a living out of it, even profitting £360 is no where near making a living out of selling birds, thats less than a pound a day :-/

[Steve0]

How do you become a approved seller?

[OLDYELLOW]

send your details to grizzle hen above shes in charge of approving ^^^^^^

[Steve0]

What u wanna no a s l ?

[OLDYELLOW]

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/v-members/a-join/group-22/