n.s.a.i.d,s

[jimmy white]

the non-steroidal anti-inflamitory drug    " diclofenic"   [which i have been prescribed ,in the past  for an arthritic desease i have,, a,s ] seems to have caused a  deaths in  many countries,  of vultures and other birds ,, this has been  prescibed  to cattle etc for various ailments,  and as a  pain killer, which have been eaten by these vultures. this  "diclofenic" is a commonly prescribed drug in this country for arthritic conditions,,, i just wondered if this drug would have any effect on hawks ,or birds of prey, as vultures could be termed as birds of prey???   any info

[OLDYELLOW]

are pigeons alergic thats what i would want to know firstly

[jimmy white]

hi old yellow i had been advised at one time that this tablet would help an older bird in an arthritic condition ,,,,,,, i wouldnt and didnt try this ,,,,,,,, but he fancier who advised me said he had tried this and in fact it helped the bird, , i just wondered if anyone had any info on this common drug ??  either helping older arthritic birds or how pigeons  would cope  with this common tablet .

it seemingly kills the vultures by attacking the liver [after eating prey,containing , diclofenic]

[OLDYELLOW]

could have some diclofenic fed white doves  

[jimmy white]

was thinking along those lines

[OLDYELLOW]

and could take them training with you

[jimmy white]

off course,,   nothing wrong in this  

[think ill look up the internet, and find out more about this,,,,,,,training

[OLDYELLOW]

and if hawk gets one or two on way home thats just nature ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest 67ghirl]

Warning!

 

 

 

Diclofenac sodium.

 

This medicine may cause dizziness and so may affect your ability to drive or operate machinery safely. Do not drive or operate machinery until you know how this medicine affects you and you are sure it won't affect your performance.

This medicine may mask the signs and symptoms of infection.

Close medical supervision is important in people with symptoms of gastrointestinal disorders.

It is an extreme irritant of the stomach lining.

 

Perhaps dizziness set in and they had 'flying accidents'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmy white]

just been reading about this,,, seemingly 95 p,c, of the vultures in india , have died off , by eating animals that have been treated with this drug [pain killer and anti-inflamatory] [  dont know if a vulture , would come under a bird of prey , i should think it would?? as a buzzard does ]  wonder if this drug [diclofenic] would have the same effect on other birds of prey??

[Guest]

just been reading about this,,, seemingly 95 p,c, of the vultures in india , have died off , by eating animals that have been treated with this drug [pain killer and anti-inflamatory] [  dont know if a vulture , would come under a bird of prey , i should think it would?? as a buzzard does ]  wonder if this drug [diclofenic] would have the same effect on other birds of prey??

;)very interesting this post Jim ,have you at any time recently been over prescribed this ?? if so i could dispose of it for you , just send it down to me ,ill do the rest .     andy .

 

[OLDYELLOW]

Vulture comes under Carion i believe which crows are the less abled members of and hawks come under same type i believe  

 

Carrion (from the Latin caro, meaning meat) refers to the carcass of a dead animal. Carrion is an important food source for large carnivores and omnivores in most ecosystems. Examples of carrion-eaters, or scavengers, include Hyenas, Vultures, Virginia Opossum, Tasmanian Devils, Black Bears, Komodo Dragons, Bald Eagles, Raccoons and Blue-tongued lizards. Many invertebrates, such as worms and carrion beetles (family Silphidae) also eat carrion and play an important role in recycling animal remains.

 

Carrion begins to decay the moment of the animal's death, and it will increasingly attract insects and breed bacteria. Not long after the animal has died, its body will begin to exude a foul odour caused by the presence of bacteria and the emission of cadaverine and putrescine. Some plants and fungi smell like decomposing carrion and attract insects that aid in reproduction. Plants that exhibit this behavior are known as carrion flowers. Stinkhorn mushrooms are examples of fungi with this characteristic.

 

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oops hawks different but surely as digest the whole animal if small bird must be effected the same way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk

 

 

[THE FIFER]

yes carrion i think means vermin, as the carrion crow is listed as.

[jimmy white]

just been looking up "the falconry centre" at hagley, west midlands ,, this falconry seems to put vultures and buzzards etc under" birds of prey"

if anyone has a tame perigrine with arthritis  ;D  try one of these tablets on it , about three times a day,,  ;D  see if it would cure its arthritis ;D ;D