K index training/racing

[Guest snookbri]

Experienced an unexplained bad training toss on Sunday (9th) afternoon in perfect conditions,do you think the k-index for that period could have contributed?http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/k-index.html

 

[Guest snookbri]

Anybody??????????????????http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-index

[Guest]

our good freind Bilco used put the info on here for us about the K index . i trained regardless and raced regardless ,i beleived i had no other option ,but was aware of it . it caused me no problems .                        andy.

[mark proctor]

Anybody??????????????????http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-index

 

you dont believe in that do you bri...bilco said every one would have a bad chuck on the certain date..about a month ago now...every one had a great chuck...even as far as 60 miles m8....... :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[mark proctor]

our good freind Bilco used put the info on here for us about the K index . i trained regardless and raced regardless ,i beleived i had no other option ,but was aware of it . it caused me no problems .                        andy.

 

beat me to it m8....

[No 1]

Oh noooooooooo, it's the bad boy from pigeon crap  8)

[Guest]

 

beat me to it m8....

lets hope Snookbri is happy with our answers Mark .                andy.

 

 

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you dont believe in that do you bri...bilco said every one would have a bad chuck on the certain date..about a month ago now...every one had a great chuck...even as far as 60 miles m8....... :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

 

Hi Mark

 

Brian trained our birds on Sunday and to say the chuck was a disaster is an understatement - Cracking day, Healthy birds, a bit of a jump in distance but certainly nothing that could or should challenge them.

 

Yet many failed to clear your area and simply cannot explain it - The birds had only been tested that week and had been training and flying around home well.

 

Simply cannot explain it - I stuck my nose up to this ' K index' thing until Sunday but now think there is something in it.

 

 

[Guest snookbri]

 

you dont believe in that do you bri...bilco said every one would have a bad chuck on the certain date..about a month ago now...every one had a great chuck...even as far as 60 miles m8....... :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

 

Certainly think if Bilco says it can contribute to bad races/losses then can not dismiss it out of hand.Wise man is Bilco.

[Guest snookbri]

Oh noooooooooo, it's the bad boy from pigeon crap  8)

 

What do you mean?

[No 1]

Post was directed at Mark Procter, private joke, however, he did not bite  :-/

[mark proctor]

Post was directed at Mark Procter, private joke, however, he did not bite  :-/

 

ile bite if you wont me to,,,come round ere ... > > > > > > > > >

[No 1]

Hello Mark,

 

Is it true you run out of young bird feed every Thursday morning ?????????

[mark proctor]

Hello Mark,

 

Is it true you run out of young bird feed every Thursday morning ?????????

 

just put your proper name on..and were your realy from..canery faced twit...

[Guest snookbri]

 

you dont believe in that do you bri...bilco said every one would have a bad chuck on the certain date..about a month ago now...every one had a great chuck...even as far as 60 miles m8....... :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

 

You never sent Loiuse 60 miles on her bike ,did you? lol

[Guest Owen]

I don't know about a K index. But I had a stray in here last night and when I telephoned the Owner he told me he had lost a lot of pigeons. And if the one that came here is anything to go by, I am not a bit surprised. K index or not these sort of birds will get lost without any help from any kind of index.

Last Saturday I had all my birds back from the race by 09:00 am. A stray came with about my second or third pigeon and sat on a shed across the garden from the loft. It sat there all day until about 4:00pm. I recon that if it did not get lost that day it will not be around for long. It was'nt the K index that would cause that. It would be the clown of an Owner who allowed it to get into that condition and then send it off to race. It is not K indexes that a lot of these incompetents want, it is commonsense. Please don't give them any more excuses so that they can blame everybody and everything, other the the real culprits. Themselves.

[No 1]

Nick Barran (Norwich) Bingo

[DJ]

i havnt started racing yet (maybe never will) as ive had problems with hawks and would rather keep them at home where i feel they are safer just excercising around the loft :-/  when i first started i used to take my birds on regular training tosses up to 50 ml with no problems (except for the odd one or two going missing)but one day i took my birds training and arrived home expecting to see some already on the loft or not far behind me?  only 2 got home that day with others working home within the next few days and i couldnt understand why as the weather seemed ok   it was only when i checked my emails that i saw that they had given a presto warning for that day (i know i should have checked my emails first that morning but the weather seemed fine ) one of my birds ended up being reported dead in essex only approx 25 mls away from me and a few others never made it home so i think the k index factor obviously has some effect on our birds homing ability (or at least my birds)  what are other fanciers thoughts on this ?   debbie

[magpie]

One of the clubs we fly in was at Exeter last Saturday - but because we had a disaster from there the previous Saturday (it is only about 45 miles and the weather was perfect) we didn't send. By all accounts it was another unexplainably difficult race with lots of youngsters missing. Instead we sent 40 birds, including some previously unraced old hens, to Windrush on Sunday and had a cracking race with all the YBs back and just one old hen missing -so it doesn't seem as though they were affected by the K factor.    

[No 1]

The two you got were not affectet, if you raced in 2005, how many do you have in your loft, bred in 2005 ? how many did you start with, young bird's bred in 2005 ?

[mark proctor]

Nick Barran (Norwich) Bingo

 

mmmyou play bingo do you?????????????

[mark proctor]

 

You never sent Loiuse 60 miles on her bike ,did you? lol

 

yer she would do oat for me...you no that bri....

[Guest Owen]

I don't want to be disrespectful, but over the years I have tried a lot of Mr Bilco's ideas. I have'nt found any of them to much good. He was in on the bean feast in the days of Old Hand and has gone down hill ever since. Coloidial Silver was another big whow that did nothing but waste time and money. I wasted no end of time messing about with eyesign which got me nowhere. About the only thing I have found any use for has been the charcoal treatment. But that may have been Old Hand. So I am sorry but I think that the "K" factor is probably another figment of someone's imagination.

The only thing that matters is good pigeons, well managed followed by careful breeding. And the most difficult thing about raceing pigeons is learning to recognise good birds. Even then it is very hard to find really good birds. I can't see how there can be short cuts unless Lady Luck pays you a visit. All that happens when we get involved with these fads and fancies is that we waste precious time. The only fad I am prepared to get enthusiastic about is when one of my birds puts in good performances. It is then I get turned on.

[Guest snookbri]

I don't want to be disrespectful, but over the years I have tried a lot of Mr Bilco's ideas. I have'nt found any of them to much good. He was in on the bean feast in the days of Old Hand and has gone down hill ever since. Coloidial Silver was another big whow that did nothing but waste time and money. I wasted no end of time messing about with eyesign which got me nowhere. About the only thing I have found any use for has been the charcoal treatment. But that may have been Old Hand. So i am sorry but I think that the "K" factor is probably another figment of someone's imagination.  The only thing that matters is good pigeons, well managed followed by careful breeding. And the most difficult thing about raceing pigeons is learning to recognise good birds. Even then it is very hard to find really good birds. I can't see how there can be short cuts unless Lady Luck pays you a visit. All that happens when we get involved with these fads and fancies is that we waste precious time. The only fad I am prepared to get enthusiastic about is when one of my birds puts in good performances. It is then I get turned on.

 

Hardly think the "K Index" is a figment of anyones imagination,there was a k index of 5 around midday on Sunday 9th registered by the College observatory which according to scientists is a "geomagnetic storm" known to disrupt the magnetic fields of the earth and the homing ability of pigeons?

 

[Guest snookbri]

[edit] Biology

There is a growing body of evidence that changes in the geomagnetic field affect biological systems. Studies indicate that physically stressed human biological systems may respond to fluctuations in the geomagnetic field. Interest and concern in this subject have led the International Union of Radio Science to create a new commission entitled Commission K - Electromagnetics in Biology and Medicine,[7] current chair Dr. Frank Prato.[8]

 

Possibly the most closely studied of the variable Sun's biological effects has been the degradation of homing pigeons' navigational abilities during geomagnetic storms. Pigeons and other migratory animals, such as dolphins and whales, have internal biological compasses composed of the mineral magnetite wrapped in bundles of nerve cells.[citation needed] This gives them the sense known as magnetoception. While this probably is not their primary method of navigation, there have been many pigeon race smashes, a term used when only a small percentage of birds return home from a release site.[citation needed] Because these losses have occurred during geomagnetic storms, pigeon handlers have learned to ask for geomagnetic alerts and warnings as an aid to scheduling races.[citation needed]

 

 

[edit] Disrupted systems