welsh national f.c.

holmsidelofts · August 20, 2009

yes but not only our race pionts are wrong so are others

I totally agree, thats why we have to do something about it. We are the only feds us welsh feds that fly the east to west route, and we need to re think this because its only gonna get worse. we should either be fly north or south, no east to west as its proven that this road is a suicide road and you may as well not bother flying, the last couple of years have proven that. Its time the WNR fed admitted what we all have known for a long time before its to late and everyone leaves. the only reason i have stuck at this road so long is because of the competition but even the big names are starting to question the route and are looking at other options. When this happens it will be the WNR feds own fault for doing nothing about it.

August 20, 2009

I totally agree, thats why we have to do something about it. We are the only feds us welsh feds that fly the east to west route, and we need to re think this because its only gonna get worse. we should either be fly north or south, no east to west as its proven that this road is a suicide road and you may as well not bother flying, the last couple of years have proven that. Its time the WNR fed admitted what we all have known for a long time before its to late and everyone leaves. the only reason i have stuck at this road so long is because of the competition but even the big names are starting to question the route and are looking at other options. When this happens it will be the WNR feds own fault for doing nothing about it.

if they dont listen maybe they will get like the new north road...a few hundred birds ??)

August 20, 2009

Sorry lads I have read the thread since my last post and what you are saying is incorrect.

Not all the Welsh feds have been having bad racing the last frew years on the South East route, I appreciate the WNR has been having worse than the rest but a few have been having good racing. The Rhondda Valley Fed has been having good racing this year and the last few years and I believe this is down to having the right people on the transporter and the right race controler (Chris Butler). Last year we had cracking flying until Ramsgate where the combine made the decision to liberate. This year we have not had easy races but we have not lost a lot of pigeons either, last week for example I had 63/66 from Newbury.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree, where ever you fly from you need to get the race management right or you will loose pigeons.

August 20, 2009

second those sentiments,Chris has been on the ball since he has been r/c for r.v.f and this year controlled the combine which were better races than we have encountered since the combine started.If we were all honest if chris had been race controller of the combine the past couple of years then the wnr breakaway and new national would never come to the table-it was the crap racing the combine had and geissen in particular that broke the camels back.

As disasterous as those maps look,you can do worst maps flying from north to south or the opposite where birds will run into one another,if the maps were supported with lib times then they may be significant but without its just a indication of libs over 24 hours.

p.s. rhondda valley already saying if we are not away early neilthen it will after lunch from newbury saturday.

neil

August 20, 2009

i see the weather is gonna be windy and a direct south wind...with light showers.

August 20, 2009

at the end of the day kicking and screaming on here is of no benifit to anyone

you can do say what ever you like here but it wont change a thing

everyones got their own theory on how to change things and improve matters but unless you adopt a proper line of enquiery through your relevant clubs then im sorry but all your doing is banging your heads aaginst a brick wall

i can see where this has gone and going over the past days and im now leaving it to you all too it

like i said previous#

mark out a map of both south and north race pionts and then put in liberations between them and line of flight both same direction oppersite and across line of flight

just like you were quick enough to do for the south east that you are so against

holmsidelofts · August 20, 2009

second those sentiments,Chris has been on the ball since he has been r/c for r.v.f and this year controlled the combine which were better races than we have encountered since the combine started.If we were all honest if chris had been race controller of the combine the past couple of years then the wnr breakaway and new national would never come to the table-it was the crap racing the combine had and geissen in particular that broke the camels back.
As disasterous as those maps look,you can do worst maps flying from north to south or the opposite where birds will run into one another,if the maps were supported with lib times then they may be significant but without its just a indication of libs over 24 hours.
p.s. rhondda valley already saying if we are not away early neilthen it will after lunch from newbury saturday.
neil

I do have lib times for the first 3 races for most of the feds liberating, Im putting together a pack of information to take to the fed and liberation times are part of this, its just to time consuming to type them all out online.

but i do have them.

I totally agree with you on the convoyer side of things our birds came back in a disgusting state last saturday, very dehydrated and struggling to fly up on the perches afterwards, it wasnt just my birds but most of the fanciers i spoke to were saying the same. How can birds be expected to fly home when they are in this state.

August 20, 2009

Neil although you make a good point when you say that the maps show the picture over 24 hours, you fail to take account of the fact that we only fly the hours of light and only when the weather is seen to be acceptable. There are times when the birds have no time to clear because of the concertina effect of these factors.

I think that there are many factors involved in these problems. It has been said that the Race Controller and the Convoyers are influenceing matters to give some Feds better racing than others. Well, if that is the case, then we need to know how they manage to do this.

I have repeatedly asked for there to be an investigation into the probems with losses of young pigeons by the WNR Fed. I am sick of opinions and points of view. And the politics are a waste of everybodies' time. We need to sit down and examine the whole thing without preconcieved ideas. If we allow this to carry on it is bound to do perminant damage, not only to the Fed but to the Sport as well.

holmsidelofts · August 20, 2009

Neil although you make a good point when you say that the maps show the picture over 24 hours, you fail to take account of the fact that we only fly the hours of light and only when the weather is seen to be acceptable. There are times when the birds have no time to clear because of the concertina effect of these factors.
I think that there are many factors involved in these problems. It has been said that the Race Controller and the Convoyers are influenceing matters to give some Feds better racing than others. Well, if that is the case, then we need to know how they manage to do this.
I have repeatedly asked for there to be an investigation into the probems with losses of young pigeons by the WNR Fed. I am sick of opinions and points of view. And the politics are a waste of everybodies' time. We need to sit down and examine the whole thing without preconcieved ideas. If we allow this to carry on it is bound to do perminant damage, not only to the Fed but to the Sport as well.

Totally agree owen.

I am in the process of putting together a petition together to take to the fed along with detail on losses from other clubs etc. I then plan on taking this to the fed and asking for a full investigation into the losses, as im not happy lossing the birds i have lost and i will not take this sitting down.

Bugsy · August 21, 2009

Rhondda Red is smack on the money, if you have the same people on a different route you get the same result, most of you on this thread have said how bad the condition was on your birds when they returned, that is not caused by clashing. I have a saying in work ' IF YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE PEOPLE, CHANGE THE PEOPLE'. Its going to be a cracker of a race tomorrow, nice SSWind, so nice and steady, best of luck to all.

John B.

August 21, 2009

John I think you speak sense. I agree, we need a far better standard of care for the birds and perhaps we can't get it with the current regime.

However, for the moment, I will stick to my push for an automatic feedback after every race.

I remember reading about a Business Analyst, Tom Petters, who said that we need to know why things go right as well as when things go wrong. In these modern times there is much that we should do to give the Public confidence in what we are doing. I read the other day that in New South Wales, Australia, every Club must nominate someone to take on the role of Health Official for the Club. The chosen individual is then trained by a Vet and certificated to carry out the job. The motivation behind it is that the Pigeon Racing Authorities want to give the Public confidence that the birds are treated properly. How about that for progress?

August 21, 2009

when birds come back in a state its down to wether the birds have been open to the elelments in the baskets when raining,or....too many in them.

i think we have the room to say put just 25 in the baskets in youngbirds.

every week i see birds looking uncomfortable in them.(y/birds)

also see clubs using just plain cardboard instead of the corrugated type...with no sand.

even seen cardboard not covering the entire surface of the crate...this will easily pull up when a bird has his feet under it.

clubs are responsible for this particular problem and not the fed.

but losses arent down to this..its to do with clashing..untrained birds,illness,hawks,wires,....but mainly clashing...and some fanciers having them in and shall we say....getting rid of them.

i only hope that we can make a change for next season well in advance so members then can decide wether to leave or stay in the fed...im happy to stay....but there is a extent to what a person can put up with.