birds of prey

[snowy]

no song birds in my garden too,

only

2 magpies

2 crows

1 sparrow hawk

 

[jimmy white]

JUST HAD A PHONECALL FROM MY MATE WHO WORKS ON THE FORTH RAIL BRIDGE, HE SEES THE PERIGRINE KILLING PIGEONS REGULARLY, BUT HE WAS TELLING ME THERE WAS A WHITE ONE THERE, FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, WELL IT WAS KILLED YESTERDAY WITH THE PERIGRINE AS HE WATCHED IT.

[jimmy white]

WRONG DATE ON MY CAMERA, BUT THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN TODAY

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Jimmy's

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Jimmy's

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Jimmy's

[jimmy white]

local nature reserve with no song birds

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Jimmy's

[tam pepper]

ive looked at the pictures of the birds killed by the sparrowhawk , and quite frankly i,m dismayed by pigeon fanciers, get yourself an airgun and shoot the sparrowhaws of the top of the birds you can get a cheap chinese gun for around 50£its worth the money as you can kill the occasional stoat and rat to , if the fanciers let the birds out and go into the house or go away and leave them they deserve all they get .

when i erected my lofts at this location i had all kinds of prblems with sparrowhawks and peregrine falcons, defra , and the police , looking for illegal substances i.e poison . , defra are the lackies that act for the r.s.p.b . when a peregrine falcon is about to strike your birds , the will start zig-zagging very rapidly  and strike from above sometimes at unbelievable speeds  , when they take a bird ,9 out of ten times they will go down with it , that is your chance , you can either trap it or poision it if you can manage to get a hold of some ,

springer traps are an essential for a pigeon fancier , they are only ten pounds each 2 is adequate they catch all that is likely to bother you , just remember to flip back the safety catch  when setting ,

i dont have any problems at the moment with the vermin at the moment as i,m on top of it .

as an ex gamekeeper ive noticed a huge decline in the bird population in my area , this has also coincided with the rise of the raptor population , so dont abandon your birds when they are out and if you are getting problems with a falcon it will be roosting withina five or six mile radious , often a ued or dissused quarry , i,ll leave the rest to your imagination , i might add i would be ashamed to post the pctures i,ve seen in pigeon basics , and whinge about birds of prey

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I just dont get why the RSPB who are an organisation who are supposed to be protecting birds, are introducing Birds of Prey which are killing birds, it makes no sense. The RSPB seem to be making there own rules of whats right and wrong in nature and I think we should ALL campaign to get the law changed, so that we are allowed to protect our own birds in our own gardens. I know that nature is nature, but it is also natural for me to want remove a killing machine from my locality and the RSPB should not have control of what I do to protect my birds. I personally think that RSPB want Pigeon Racing to be a sport of the past and it is one of the main reasons they are introducing them. If pigeons were a main food source in this county then Im sure the Goverment would have something to say about the Hawk problem.

[tam pepper]

shelbin ,

                   the r.sp.c.a a are only a charity , that has built up a lot of clout over the years , they rely on the people in the streets donations ,  if we could persuade people not to subscribe to them they would be bankrupt in 15 weeks ,  that imformation came from there website , the r.s.p.b cannot make rules or pass laws , they lobby m.p.s to do it for them , and they are very effective at this .

there are not any laws going to be changed in your favour , thats guaranteed, to protect your birds you will have to commit civil disobediance

                                                                                       tam pepper

[Guest]

Well if its down to MPs we are f--ked as they are all twisted. I suppose at the end of the day the RSPB cant monitor all hawks, all of the time, if you get my drift, LOL.

[jimmy white]

tam , with due respect you cannot break the law, and whats worse is aiding people to break the law, you will be well aware that the rspb [not the rspca,as you say]will be reading these posts, you do what you want do do, but its unfair to others to aid them in breaking the law. im quite sure there are many fanciers have ways of keeping hawks away.i completely understand you, but it would be better done legally, as there would be fanciers in serious trouble,if they get caught.in these council run nature reserves the council show you pictures what you should see, all sorts of song birds, well i didnt see any just a few sparrow hawks, so i will report this to the council and take the matter further, to my counciller, now if every body done this in the uk, maybe, just maybe, something could be done,legally . i mean hundreds of nature reserves with no song birds,but hawks around ,something has to be done, and tam , please, youll never skin the rspb in 15 weeks.,not even in 15 years im not getting at you tam , i know how you feel, but i think we have to be carefull what we print, good luck anyway tam

[jimmy white]

as i said in my other post would you be able to shoot all the hawks, when the pigeons are flying the 500 mile gauntlet? through moors mountains and valleys.no, but   there has to be a way legally, to at least balance the population of ever increasing hawks, even just to get an opening, through the law somehow. shooting one in the garden may solve your imediate problem but its the uk population we want sorted out.

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RSPB have something far more valuable than cash in the bank, they have the government and publics ear & 'acknowledged throughout the land' as the first source to go to for expert opinion on birds... in a word 'reputation'.

 

Watched an interesting snippet on BBC1 Landward program on Sunday which kind of debunks the 'we know everything' stance the RSPB tend to take with ordinary punters like us joe publics. Landward was on Mull, and a local returned as professional wildlife photographer was saying the white-tailed sea eagle had been re-introduced to a nearby island by RSPB, only for the birds to desert it for Mull, which in his opinion was the ideal location anyway. So why did RSPB chose a less than ideal place for their introduction???? Chinks appearing in that perfect 'I know better' armour????

 

I think breaking the law just plays into the opposition's barrow and gives rise to the unsubstantiated allegations that are stated as fact ... 'pigeon fanciers did this .... '   whenever a dead hawk is discovered. Far better to concentrate energies on catching the government & public ear ... and protecting your pigeons legally.

 

And whingeing does nothing bar create closed ears and minds.   ;D

 

 

[THE FIFER]

THE RSPB EVEN HAVE THEIE OWN POLICE APPIONTED TO THEM CALLED WILD LIFE OFFICERS

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AND AS FOR AIR RIFLES U MUST BE VERY CAREFUL ...

 

Air rifles have a very bad press up here because of less than very careful people firing them off at people: including fire fighters tackling fires AND children out playing. Death of a two year old in Glasgow last year and public outcry looks as if it WILL bring about a ban of some sort.

[tam pepper]

 

 

             i had feeling i would get this response from the people that replied to my little article, you cant break the law, thats appathy, you can break the law if the law is an ass, you have to be carefull or you pay the penalty  the laws of this country are broken every second of every day .

you guys can keep taking pictures of your dead birds but dont condem me for defending mine , when the day comes that i cannot defend them , i wont have them jimmy the rspb are only 15 weeks from bankrupcy if they get no donations , that is fact so dont dispute till you look up their website .

as for the rspb, and defra ,the can kiss my ass , ive already told them that to their face              tam pepper

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Posted elsewhere earlier that there could be light at the end of the tunnel, but not the kind of light I would wish for. Have a gander at this:-

 

January 29, 2006

Bird flu found in Saudi Arabia

Saudi authorities have culled 37 falcons after discovering cases that have tested positive to the H5 virus of the avian flu.

 

 

So this is PROOF that they too are susceptible to the H5N1 virus. Should avian flu hit the UK, as experts reckon it will, hawkie is maybe more in the firing line thanks to its lifestyle, some are carrion too, and the current Animal Welfare Bill allows for government culling to control disease outbreaks.  

 

 

[jimmy white]

tam i never condemed you for defending your birds, if you read my post ,i said" you do what you want to do," if you read all my posts youll see im very much against the rspb, maybe youll get my drift in the very first post, but as bruno has pointe out in the post above " there could be light at the end of the tunnel"

and as far as the rspb going bankrupt , there are very rich people dying leaving all their money to the rspb,,,regular , thousands of pounds, i still stand by what i say, you do what you want to do , thats nothing do do with me, but the problem must be solved legally

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HERE IS A PHOTO I TOOK OF "BILCO" A FEW YEARS AGO ON THE OLD

> PIGEON

> SPORT STAND AT BLACKPOOL, WITH RINGS COLLECTED FRON NEST SITES OF

BIRDS OF

> PRAY.

>                   the fifer.

 

 

 

 

 

Picture taken by "The_Fife"

[Webmaster]

Subject: Re: Eagle owls

 

THANK YOU KNDLY FOR YOUR ANSWER[ E MAIL]  BUT WOULD THESE EAGLE OWLS BE A THREAT TO OUR OWN PREDETORS SUCH AS DIFFERANT SPECIES OF HAWKS I,E, PERIGRINES, GOS HAWKS SPARROW HAWKS INDEED ANY OF OUR OWN SPECIES, YOURS FAITHFULLY JAMES WHITE,.

P.S AS FAR AS I SEE THEY FEED MAINLY ON RABBITS, WHICH ARE PLENTYFULL, THANK YOU, JAMES

 

Subject: RE: Eagle owls

 

Dear Mr White

 

Thank you for your further email about eagle owls.

 

Please find attached a link to the Defra website which provides further details of the risk assessment scheme I referred to in my letter.  Four sample risk assessment studies are included and will provide you with an indication of the assessment that a species would be put through, as you will see, impact on native species would be included.

 

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/resprog/findings/non-native-risks/index.htm

 

The eagle owl is on the list of species that will be assessed later this year and the results of the risk assessment are expected to be published on the Defra website in the Autumn.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Christine Rumble

Species Policy Adviser

Species Team

European Wildlife Division

Defra

 

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Sent to post up by Jimmy

[jimmy white]

an indirect answer to a simple, direct question.

[jimmy white]

exactly rose, but i aint finished yet :)

[tam pepper]

hi jimmy

                   your farting against thunder jimmy , and you know it , the rspb will assess the risk factor on the eagle owl , they will put their reccomendations to defra  and defra will carry out the reccomendations without any public consultation , the are in bed together.

jimmy i,m not pinning my hopes on the eagle owlmaking a dent in the peregrine population , this wont happen in my life time , and ive a feeling yours to . the only reason the eagle owl is succesfull i yorkshie is they are nesting on m.o.d property when they leave m.o.d property they will be persecuted by gamekeepers and every body else with shooting interests , the eagle owl preys on everything from a mouse to  foxes , they are formidable birds , cats and small dogs are on the menu to ..

it would be nice to think the peregrines are going to be eaten when they roost , but i cant see it keep up your articles jimmy i enjoy them although i dont neccessary agree with you on them all   yours in sport         tam pepper