Percy going to go?

[Guest]

 

If they are off the endangered list then the RSPB will not receive any funding for breeding programmes, this will hurt the RSPB lobby. Even though something is not deemed as endangered then it is still against the law to kill it and you will incur heavy fines etc if you do so.

Schedule 4 that has been looked at recently is about registering and ringing captive birds again this will take away powers of the RSPB to monitor them or justify culling them as they are not classed as wild birds

Even though these changes take place it will still be against the law to cull them and almost any other bird in the UK :-/

Thanks for that but I'm not clear on why you can't protect your stock. Farmers are allowed to shoot dogs that attack their sheep. Foxes are culled regularly, I appreciate they aren't birds. But are you saying the legislation specifies what species can be killed and cannot that are not marked as endangered? (I'm not having a crack at you, just asking the questons that I don't understand the answers to)

 

 

[DOVEScot]

Thanks for that but I'm not clear on why you can't protect your stock. Farmers are allowed to shoot dogs that attack their sheep. Foxes are culled regularly, I appreciate they aren't birds. But are you saying the legislation specifies what species can be killed and cannot that are not marked as endangered? (I'm not having a crack at you, just asking the questons that I don't understand the answers to)

 

 

No offence taken

It has been a long running argument which I for one stand bye, if something comes onto my property and attacks my family, property or stock then I believe I am in my right to protect it, sadly the law does not agree with me but if faced with it I will take my chances and worry about the law later

Crows are in no way endangered but even though they peck the eyes out of sheep a farmer cannot cull them as it in some strange way is against the law to do so, but if you dog runs through his field he can shoot it, how crazy is that :-/

[ChrisMaidment08]

just one comment from me if you see hawk injured badly the only thing as bird lover is to cull to stop it suffering and give it decent burial as all us bird lovers do

[Guest]

 

No offence taken

It has been a long running argument which I for one stand bye, if something comes onto my property and attacks my family, property or stock then I believe I am in my right to protect it, sadly the law does not agree with me but if faced with it I will take my chances and worry about the law later

Crows are in no way endangered but even though they peck the eyes out of sheep a farmer cannot cull them as it in some strange way is against the law to do so, but if you dog runs through his field he can shoot it, how crazy is that :-/

 

Thanks 8)

[jimmy white]

i have to say that i am not clear about this also,, first of all the perigrine , sparrowhawk are comming off the endangered list ,,do we know this to be true and factual?? [i certainly hope so anyway], so am i thinking right in saying that this would put these birds in the same category of any other wild bird??   meaning it is illegal to shoot or kill any wild bird,,,but farmers, gamekeepers even sportsmen kill crows ,,wood pigeon [you quite often see dead crows hung up on a farmland  fence to [i take it to deter other crows from their crops ] and there seems to be big sport in shooting wood pigeon, pheasant grouse etc in fact the land owners receive quite a big income on this , if this is true, that these birds of prey come off the endangered list,,surely must put them in the same category of any other wild bird ,,off course pheasant ,grouse,wood pigeon ,  must , i would think, come under game birds ,,but surely crows,and magpies [same family]  would come under the same category as the birds of prey ,, but the farmers openly shoot crows as being pests , without being fined , i just cannot see them being able to shoot birds of prey,, yet ,being taken off the endangered species act, must then surely put them in the same categary as ordinary wild birds such as crows,, im afraid i just cannot get my head around this ?? maybe someone can explain,, the question being,, what exactly does this "comming off the endangered list "mean ???

[Merlin]

Morning Jimmy

Endangered species as such are funded  regarding protection of same,and often breeding programes in the wild/captivity are also in vouge to help create more of this species,all species of birds are on the protected list,but are left to their own devices,and Nature to propegate and care for themselves,and sometimes its possible under licence a cull can take place,if they are proven to be overpopulated,there would never never in a millon years be a licence ever granted,as regards an endangered species,so if and when the R.S.P.B place nest boxs/breeding platforms,and state its because these are a rare and endangered species,this is a no,no,basically what D.E.F.R.A. hopefully will say to the people,is what fanciers and many others are saying for some years now,the species are common enough,not to warrant an endangered tag.

[Guest IB]

I think we need to wait and see exactly what is being proposed here before jumping to conclusions that this, that and the next is happening. First of all it doesn't seem to be new, its a consultation DEFRA put out last year and reported on in January this year: so it was 'weel kent' before rumour bandwagon started rolling. Honestly don't know implications, but it doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference to us, and our problems with peregrines.

 

Agree with Vic; main 'silent' song-bird killers will be magpies.

 

 

[Merlin]

Also in agreeement regarding Magpie,but on a one to one basis,its the Sparrowhak that is most efficient at killing song birds,with all its entire repotire geared in that direction only,where as the Mag is a scavanger,carrion eater road kills,land fill sites,with the song bird youngsters being only part of its menu,with Sparrowhaks,its all their menu.,again problem is too many magpies.

[Guest IB]

Also in agreeement regarding Magpie,but on a one to one basis,its the Sparrowhak that is most efficient at killing song birds,with all its entire repotire geared in that direction only,where as the Mag is a scavanger,carrion eater road kills,land fill sites,with the song bird youngsters being only part of its menu,with Sparrowhaks,its all their menu.,again problem is too many magpies.

 

Agree with you, but I think it's the cock sparrowhawk that's the main culprit on the song bird issue; never seen one but I'm told he is much smaller than the hen bird, and not up to catching anything bigger like the hen which is our problem as she can take a pigeon.

 

The feature I hate about magpies is they seem to be 'classic' predators, the type that hunt in packs, like wild dogs and lions; my resident blackies let me know when they are about, and there's usually at least 3 of them; last year a gang raided the wood pigeon's nest next door, and the 'mewing' was the most distressing and pitiful sound that I have ever heard; don't know if it was the hen wood pigeon in distress, or a live youngster in the nest being ripped apart, but it drove me to wish that I could go over an sort the b's out.  

[DOVEScot]

i have to say that i am not clear about this also,, first of all the perigrine , sparrowhawk are comming off the endangered list ,,do we know this to be true and factual?? [i certainly hope so anyway], so am i thinking right in saying that this would put these birds in the same category of any other wild bird??   meaning it is illegal to shoot or kill any wild bird,,,but farmers, gamekeepers even sportsmen kill crows ,,wood pigeon [you quite often see dead crows hung up on a farmland  fence to [i take it to deter other crows from their crops ] and there seems to be big sport in shooting wood pigeon, pheasant grouse etc in fact the land owners receive quite a big income on this , if this is true, that these birds of prey come off the endangered list,,surely must put them in the same category of any other wild bird ,,off course pheasant ,grouse,wood pigeon ,  must , i would think, come under game birds ,,but surely crows,and magpies [same family]  would come under the same category as the birds of prey ,, but the farmers openly shoot crows as being pests , without being fined , i just cannot see them being able to shoot birds of prey,, yet ,being taken off the endangered species act, must then surely put them in the same categary as ordinary wild birds such as crows,, im afraid i just cannot get my head around this ?? maybe someone can explain,, the question being,, what exactly does this "comming off the endangered list "mean ???

 

If you read all the posts Jimmy instead of just having a dig at everything I post as rumours you will realise that it is only being discussed at the moment

 

God forbid if we posted the truth

 

 

[Merlin]

On occassions have heard similar,and have to agree it pitifult to observe and  hear, regretably its Naure,but the real crux in my opinion is overpopulation of these species,which are rampant almost everywhere now,this is the real problem,resulting in too much predation of other species,Predators dont need protection,laws should allow relevent people,in this instance, farmers,land owners,gun clubs,to regulate these species,overpopulation of any species of Predatorwill always spell trouble for others,in our case,its Perigrines and Sparrowhawks