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I know the Derby Peregrine webcam has had lots of references on here lately, but if you go through the daily diary /comments section you will see a lot of debate/arguments re: Pigeon v Hawks,It got so heated yesterday that they will no longer accept Pigeon/Peregrine posts,I asked early yesterday if they would contact the owners of the Pigeon rings in the nest,much later the reply was last season they only found rings relating to wild birds,anyway the baton was taken up by a Tumbler man and he got some stick,Sorry to ramble on "rant over"

http://derbyperegrines.blogspot.com/2009/05/calendar-of-watchpoints-on-cathedral.html?show

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