Campaign for the protection European birds (POLL)

[invalidusername]

There's only one vote I could lodge yes.  As a non-racer, I really fear for pigeons and indeed songbirds, and as already said, there's going to be serious problems ahead for all - not just fanciers.  The policy of protection of one type of bird (raptors) over others is totally unsustainable, and morally wrong.

[Merlin]

 

 

Amount of fanciers who have bothered to vote,either way,suggests to me that APATHY is already too ingrained in themselves to make even the slighert attempt to protect their charges,too much of an effort,apparently the mindset on Tooth and Claw and other such sites apparentlyare corect,and racing pigeons etc,are simlpy to supplement the existince of their Raptors,and who could logically argue with that,seeing as pigeon fanciers themselves are so backwards about coming forwards,well as it may,now let posterity be the judge,with no doubt our pigeons the big losers.

[DOVEScot]

 

Amount of fanciers who have bothered to vote,either way,suggests to me that APATHY is already too ingrained in themselves to make even the slighert attempt to protect their charges,too much of an effort,apparently the mindset on Tooth and Claw and other such sites apparentlyare corect,and racing pigeons etc,are simlpy to supplement the existince of their Raptors,and who could logically argue with that,seeing as pigeon fanciers themselves are so backwards about coming forwards,well as it may,now let posterity be the judge,with no doubt our pigeons the big losers.

 

42 for the campaign so far, getting there. If we can get this from every site although bearing in mind a lot of members who have took the time to vote may be on other sites as well. I would be interested in hearing from the two members who voted no(now  ;D ) and their reasons

 

The whole point of a campaign is to put your message across and convince as much people as possible to join and support it, then collectively we campaign the neccessary authorities to take heed of our opinions :-/

[Guest Freebird]

Sorry not been near a P.C. for days. Voted yes. In the 70's when I last had birds they were free to come and go all day and can't remember losing one to hawks. I lived on the outskirts of town and frequently seen hawks when out walking in the fields and hills so they were around but they stayed there because food was abundant. This problem needs sorting before it is too late for all parties concerned. Bye the way I clicked the website and ended up on a driving school website? Well done to all for their efforts.

[OLDYELLOW]

There is already a body that probably needs more backing it's S.O.S  save our song birds , simple things like hedges ( hawthorn been best )been planted instead of fences and brick walls , will encourage more song birds , having moved from one area to another in same estate the amount of song birds where hedges are present is nearly treble. I know this is not going to solve the rapter problem but more song birds that are easier to catch and carry , would reduce the number of pigeons killed , and perhaps the return of the eagle owl would help but not all these preditors live in wooded areas , and perhaps the thread should be renamed to add 'Song' as in song birds as it would cover the very rapters you wish to control to safe numbers

[grizzle_hen]

I was watching reporting scotland last night and they had a story about it being the start of grouse season and how the numbers in some areas have declined because of eagles (and there's another bird of prey), I can't find the story on the bbc website and when I searched for it on google I couldn't find anything.

 

Just thought that the 'grouse' people might be another lot to get involved, especially as I read somewhere that the RSPB had criticized them for shooting these eagles, just an idea  

[DOVEScot]

There is already a body that probably needs more backing it's S.O.S  save our song birds , simple things like hedges ( hawthorn been best )been planted instead of fences and brick walls , will encourage more song birds , having moved from one area to another in same estate the amount of song birds where hedges are present is nearly treble. I know this is not going to solve the rapter problem but more song birds that are easier to catch and carry , would reduce the number of pigeons killed , and perhaps the return of the eagle owl would help but not all these preditors live in wooded areas , and perhaps the thread should be renamed to add 'Song' as in song birds as it would cover the very rapters you wish to control to safe numbers

 

The best idea I think would be to join forces with these groups to highlight all the problems caused by allowing one or two species of birds to flourish by over protecting them. They are part of the top end of the food chain and apart from natural mortality it is man that at present and as usual control their numbers :-/

[DOVEScot]

I was watching reporting scotland last night and they had a story about it being the start of grouse season and how the numbers in some areas have declined because of eagles (and there's another bird of prey), I can't find the story on the bbc website and when I searched for it on google I couldn't find anything.

 

Just thought that the 'grouse' people might be another lot to get involved, especially as I read somewhere that the RSPB had criticized them for shooting these eagles, just an idea  

 

Eagles are slightly different, they tend to nest above 1000 ft on cliff faces and are very territorial, also we have only about 280 mountains above 3000ft and the highest being just over 4000ft there range and nesting places are limited is limited.

But the campaign should take all parties views are capatalise on them, if in our favour :-/

[THE FIFER]

YES. as the country is over populated by birds of pray, and the songbird population is in decline and the effects on pigeon racing is effecting a large number of people throughout the country, also it is not nature to see birds of pray in towns and back gardens, thats the home of the songbirds etc.

[Guest mikkey]

only 50 votes thats pathetic im not surprised pigeon racing is stuck in the dark ages, how many members does this site have

[bewted]

only 50 votes thats pathetic im not surprised pigeon racing is stuck in the dark ages, how many members does this site have

 

lots of members,but,very little voting !!,,,,,,as per the norm for fanciers !!!

[pjc]

Well spotted Freebird, I don't know why its linked to my own web site but will try to break the link today.

 

Phil

[invalidusername]

It pays to advertise, Phil ;-D ;-)

[DOVEScot]

Well spotted Freebird, I don't know why its linked to my own web site but will try to break the link today.

 

Phil

 

Fibber  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Freebird]

Well spotted Freebird, I don't know why its linked to my own web site but will try to break the link today.

 

Phil

Chancer (evil) A good job I didn't say some cheepo, run down driving school then. Ha!!!

[DOVEScot]

Just answer yes, no or maybe and a reason why, this will also be run on other sites to get as much interest and feedback as possible :-/

 

http://www.cpeb.co.uk

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1218405797/

 

Glad to see that Phil has broken the link from his site.

 

The site is under construction and will be up and running as soon as possible :)

[ChrisMaidment08]

loverly view on it to

[DOVEScot]

loverly view on it to

 

Aye it is that, looks like the view from my beach house

 

48 for, 3 maybe's and 2 no's (nows ;D) we are getting there, once the site is up and running so will the next steps of the campaign :)

[pjc]

Yes link broken, just need to build onto it now.

 

What do members want on there?

Links?

Forum?

etc etc

[ChrisMaidment08]

yep all three if poss and much more beside

[pjc]

I can build on what we want but need to make sure it stays relevent to the cause.

[ChrisMaidment08]

what no cars for sale ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[DOVEScot]

Yes link broken, just need to build onto it now.

 

What do members want on there?

Links?

Forum?

etc etc

 

We need to post objectives of the campaingn, any links to other sites of a similar outlook as ouselves so we can gain as much support and publicity as possible, a forum where we can discuss ideas and strategies :-/

[ChrisMaidment08]

im only joking but as you say we need as many links to others with birds intrest at heart and ifo from members and storys emotive or not things of general intrest to everyone

[jimmy white]

Theres also this one which i have joined:

 

http://www.save-songbirds.co.uk/

 

I think only way forward is to fight the united front, everyone wants the same outcome so why not? Heads together time, including linking up with the different  online forums!

 

yes,,,,,

but feel if all members, plus freinds and neighbours and all joined this site  as above   [ united front is the word ]