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[Guest tom123]

if you feel you need to knock it carry on but in view of the distance it was a fair race with good returns yes some had losses some never always the case on these distances ,its on pare to a thurso race in respect to distances and look back at them when hardlly any birds got home on the day

[pjc]

hope members have got deep pockets, its not going to be viable race with 400 birds is it?

[Guest cowboy]

so far 43 birds not up to the job

[Guest tom123]

how about counting the birds that got home from 450 +rather than counting the ones that never

[Guest tom123]

how many got home from crieff yesterday on the north from 335 ?

[Guest tom123]

and how many got home from newbury last fri 80 miles ?

these are the questions you should be asking not what didnt come from 450 miles

[Guest waynemorris]

Tom yesterday was a fantastic day for pigeon racing and returns in my opinion should have been better..how many birds home from Thurso on a good day, loads...better than the returns here..im not knocking anything,  it must be apparent that our small national race is potentially and has at somepoint in my view clashed with the ductch french, german and belgium birds..i think they may even be racing young birds already out there..this is not the old glory days of the Welsh North road Nationals when we sent Thousands of pigeons and other Feds made sure they werent clashing with our birds.  For the sake of our pigeons we must look at all ways to get the maximum amount of birds home..Ive got 2 pigeons to go to longest race and how many pigeons will they be up against if we continue to loose pigeons at this rate..This is just not about this year but it will knock on effects year after year..And Tom with such a fantastic day for pigeon racing can you imagine what the returns would have been like with a stinker of a race

[Guest tom123]

the wnr fed have a three man committee who sort out race days and its them who decide to liberate ,obviouslly the line of flight was looked at and good enought o go at 5.30 what more can be done  ,you tell me  has for week day racing why do you think we left the combine last year ,they were at brussels fri and there returns were nt too good either ,north road were at crieff there returns were eratic and at present i havent heard of the south road race yet to see how they got on

maybe its modern day racing who knows

[Guest strapper]

so far 43 birds not up to the job

 

i bet your a door to door salesman...because i can see your used to knocking!!

how many birds have you sent this year over that distance?

there are many and i mean many top fanciers in that national and they lose birds just like any other.....the national doesnt lose birds its the journey home that looses  them.

when you got to compete with everyones birds coming home from france then birds will no doubt go missing.

450 in that heat will no doubt take its toll on the rear end of birds.

 

 

[Guest strapper]

the wnr fed have a three man committee who sort out race days and its them who decide to liberate ,obviouslly the line of flight was looked at and good enought o go at 5.30 what more can be done  ,you tell me  has for week day racing why do you think we left the combine last year ,they were at brussels fri and there returns were nt too good either ,north road were at crieff there returns were eratic and at present i havent heard of the south road race yet to see how they got on

maybe its modern day racing who knows

 

 

south road bad returns too....tom no matter how good our natonal will be there will still be knockers.

 

[Guest tom123]

well said strapper

[Guest waynemorris]

lol..you can take a horse to water...........................

[Guest numpty01]

haveing flown pau a number of times and saints and dax plus north as well its surpriseing the birds that wont fly the distance you think they will over 350 i think you need the birds that are purely bred for that to many alround birds put in that cant do it

[Guest neil]

Tom,nothing has changed with the birds,clubs were won by only bird in race time from morpeth,elgin,thurso,edinburgh the list goes on That was during the days of the mighty welsh north road its just our memories that remember the good times and forget the bad(the nantwich smash when i was a boy was worst than what we have seen this last week or two).

The main difference is the information gets around more people with the internet,mobile phones and to some extent even house phones have allowed us to gain information from areas other than our own.

Not one of the people with birds missing can find issue with the liberation decisions on the south east(myself included) as we all thought our birds were good enough to win(hour and a half behind friday) but i look at myself before i look at others.

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[Guest tom123]

horses for courses either they have it in them to come or they give up and go down how do you know what is what untill you send them

resulting in the main issue on here birds missing

[Guest numpty01]

horses for courses either they have it in them to come or they give up and go down how do you know what is what untill you send them

resulting in the main issue on here birds missing

the day anyone sends birds over 400miles and does not lose any will be a mirical its the way it is a bird will come over and over from 300 but give him exstra 50 and he might not do it thats the buety of pigeons why do peaple have sprint middle and distance birds cos thats what they will fly

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

horses for courses either they have it in them to come or they give up and go down how do you know what is what untill you send them

resulting in the main issue on here birds missing

 

The days for any organisation to have a straight forward race are well and truly gone, many obstacles out there nowdays and it has always been the case that some members for whatever reason have great returns while others are not as fortunate.

 

Given what i have said above, you Tom are quite right to say it was a successful race and especially as it was from 450 miles. Well done to the WNFC.

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

gb o2 c 12784 bussart cross dordin flew every race from birth went to thurso in 2006 never to be seen again feds fault nope mine i pushed him everytime even when he flew dax internatinol i raced him following week and this happens a lot with all of us a weeks rest food vit and off you go to 400plus race ? and why aint you home its the fault of someone gov not all do this but lot do

[taffacre]

To me its more like the welsh north road OPEN., there are so many Nationals in Wales now theres no prestige for winning a national,all the so called nationals this week have had losses and some fanciers lost a lot more than others . It all boils down to one thing in my view,there should be one national and everyone in Wales just flies that national. Something that looks like its NEVER going to happen.

[Tenny]

To me its more like the welsh north road OPEN., there are so many Nationals in Wales now theres no prestige for winning a national,all the so called nationals this week have had losses and some fanciers lost a lot more than others . It all boils down to one thing in my view,there should be one national and everyone in Wales just flies that national. Something that looks like its NEVER going to happen.

 

your are absolutely right Nigel, all the Indians would love to all race together into wales but none of the chiefs can agree where and when to race...  I dont think we will ever see just one national where we all compete against potentially 10,000 birds!  Such a pity!

[Guest numpty01]

well the cheafs can be got rid of and the injuns do what they want but that wont happen when you look at devide in scotland and the rows they have why are we the welsh following them down the rd of seperation its not good for the sport

[Guest cowboy]

 

i bet your a door to door salesman...because i can see your used to knocking!!

how many birds have you sent this year over that distance?

there are many and i mean many top fanciers in that national and they lose birds just like any other.....the national doesnt lose birds its the journey home that looses  them.

when you got to compete with everyones birds coming home from france then birds will no doubt go missing.

450 in that heat will no doubt take its toll on the rear end of birds.

 

 

sent 6 361mls lost 1 and that was 08 bird so i am getting there

[boxer]

how many got home from crieff yesterday on the north from 335 ?

how many did make it home just seen the europa old bird results looks to have been a hard race. had first 1 home for europa tho   :) :) :) they dont usually do that distance so well chuffed

 

 

[Guest Rhondda RedFox]

Congratulations Tom and the management team on another successfull race.

 

To comment on the notes above it is my opinion that when we are flying from the South East into Wales we should be racing midweek, mainly due to the chance we have of clashing with not only birds on the continent but also with birds flying from France into England..  Obviousley midweek on most occasions we should have a clear run.  We have all flow with the Welsh Combine for many years and we have had very good racing (most of the time), I appreciate that people have to work (myself included) but I feel the potential for a better race should come first.  Not knocking anyone, these are my personal feelings only.  I am a member of the WNFC but have not flown yet as I am flying with the RV Fed but am preparing some birds for Heilbron so roll on the 7th July.

[Guest neil]

one day we will all fly again under 1 flag,but who will unite us i dont know

personally i prefer the new nationals race programme but can accept that when crossing the country from east to west then you need mid week racing to have less clashing.

It wont happen but what we need is new nationals race programme,the south road to join us ,flying on thursday and Chris Butler race controller.

congratulations to Rhondda Red Fox on his national win last Friday

neil