w.n.r.fed@swindon

[Robert Hyde]

Just come back from the club, members 50% missing I had another 2 still 9 down.

[Guest strapper]

club m8 of mine had a swindon bird y/b in with one of his.

[Guest Owen]

Paul

what is the "k" index factor? It's a new one on me.

[Guest strapper]

Paul

what is the "k" index factor? It's a new one on me.

 

ask bilco....he will explain all....summut to do with summut in the sky...dont shoot the messenger ;D...i think if the k index is high then there will most prob be losses....i bet your still lost m8 ;D..summut to do with navigation.

 

think ill quit while im ahead

[Guest numpty01]

atsompherics and after thunder and low preesue the electrical balance is shot to bits thats what i think is wrong this weekend birds lose the ability to home due to magnetic and electrical disturbance

[Guest strapper]

winner in my club 1119 vel

[Guest Owen]

mickf

I think you are right. I put a Notice of Motions to our Club last Autumn to change our route to South but if got defeated by one vote. The trouble, as I see it is that if someone says anything about it there is a big row. What I would like is that, instead of people feeling that they have to protect their position, they would agree to look into the situation so that a proper reason for these problems can be found. Over the years I have heard all the comments like, "You want to get better birds", "If you can do better you can have the job", and "So and so won it at so and so time, so if his bird did it they all should do it".

We all go on about the BOP, and it is sickening to see what they do, but somehow we do more to ruin the sport than even they do.

One thing is for sure, I will not fly this route next year and I know there are others in my Club who feel the same. After a debacle like this, I will be expected to pay my 7:00 per week what ever happens. It's a bit like the Government, they want the money but do not deliver what they are suposed to. No, sod it, I will either pack up racing young birds or fly a more sensible route. And just in case there is someone reading this that thinks I am having a go at individuals, I am not. I just want to fly my birds and give them a proper chance to come home.

[Guest strapper]

mickf

I think you are right. I put a Notice of Motions to our Club last Autumn to change our route to South but if got defeated by one vote. The trouble, as I see it is that if someone says anything about it there is a big row. What I would like is that, instead of people feeling that they have to protect their position, they would agree to look into the situation so that a proper reason for these problems can be found. Over the years I have heard all the comments like, "You want to get better birds", "If you can do better you can have the job", and "So and so won it at so and so time, so if his bird did it they all should do it".

We all go on about the BOP, and it is sickening to see what they do, but somehow we do more to ruin the sport than even they do.

One thing is for sure, I will not fly this route next year and I know there are others in my Club who feel the same. After a debacle like this, I will be expected to pay my 7:00 per week what ever happens. It's a bit like the Government, they want the money but do not deliver what they are suposed to. No, sod it, I will either pack up racing young birds or fly a more sensible route. And just in case there is someone reading this that thinks I am having a go at individuals, I am not. I just want to fly my birds and give them a proper chance to come home.

 

owen m8 i dont think you are on your own in your feelings about the south east....our club seriously thought about this too,but decided to stay .

there will be some that wont like to go south because they will have to give other clubs like mine over fly.

i want to stay with the fed but id like them to go south too,if they dont i will stay untill ive had enough..but not because of the losses today ...id pack the birds in , in 2mins

[holmsidelofts]

mickf

I think you are right. I put a Notice of Motions to our Club last Autumn to change our route to South but if got defeated by one vote. The trouble, as I see it is that if someone says anything about it there is a big row. What I would like is that, instead of people feeling that they have to protect their position, they would agree to look into the situation so that a proper reason for these problems can be found. Over the years I have heard all the comments like, "You want to get better birds", "If you can do better you can have the job", and "So and so won it at so and so time, so if his bird did it they all should do it".

We all go on about the BOP, and it is sickening to see what they do, but somehow we do more to ruin the sport than even they do.

One thing is for sure, I will not fly this route next year and I know there are others in my Club who feel the same. After a debacle like this, I will be expected to pay my 7:00 per week what ever happens. It's a bit like the Government, they want the money but do not deliver what they are suposed to. No, sod it, I will either pack up racing young birds or fly a more sensible route. And just in case there is someone reading this that thinks I am having a go at individuals, I am not. I just want to fly my birds and give them a proper chance to come home.

 

Owen is spot on with what he has said, every year is the same on this route, we are crossing every man and his dog week in week out, not only that we have all the airports on line of flight, we have bristol, gloucester, heathrow plus at swindon we have RAF lynham and planes are coming and going from there all day. Why havent we all woken up to the fact that every year there are major loses on this road with youngbird racing, they are not given the chance and are being taken everywhere when they hit other feds. Pleople cant deny this is happening.

I didnt send myself yesterday because i knew something like this would happen. I went to shirenewton when i knew the birds were up to see which direction they came from so i can understand where the best spot to train from is, i arrived at 12.45 and left at 1.50 and never seeen a pigeon. i had perfect views of all of the coast, both bridges and chepstow and not 1 pigeon came that way. they obviously went up country first.

there were 7 birmingham feds in bath, and my guess is they didnt clear that well and thats what we hit as they liberated between 11.30 and 12.15 according to lib line.

I know owen really well and he is devastated by yesterday and he has every right to be like that. He has some very good birds, that were well trained and are very well looked after by himself. These birds were ready and should have been at the top of the sheet but as a result of yet again another shambles he had close to half his team away last night.

Come on guys this has got to stop, Its not fair to the birds or the fanciers who are spending a lot of time and money looking after there birds.

I can tell you something for nothing i will not be happy if when i send next week we have the same issue.

Jas.

There was no reason why we couldnt have liberated in the late afternoon its only 55 miles and the birds would have had a better chance, letting them go in the miday sun doesnt help either.

[Guest tom123]

41 from 43 first race still no complaints

[holmsidelofts]

Hi tom.

You were one of the lucky ones, lots of fanciers lost a lot of good birds yesterday. How many of those 41 did you get in decent time or did they take most of the day to arrive. Its only 55 miles to us and that race should have been all over in a couple of hours fanciers in my club were get 4-5 birds arriving at 5pm thats 4 and a quarter hours after liberation, I agree that there were some very good performances Derek flowers 1.47, tony malson 1.50, 1.50 but as a whole you have to agree the race wasnt great for 55 miles. The weather was good and visibility was excellent from where i was in shirenewton but i never saw one pigeon come through the way they should have. No one is blaming anyone for this all we want is answers to what has happened, and why is it every year its the same. Its the only road that i have flown on in the last 30 years that has consistently had these issues, every year we change the race program at lib for what ever reason, you cant plan out your season anymore to have birds in different nest conditions because you dont know from week to week where you are going to be. The only decent thing going for this fed is the welsh national flying club which you run, Its fanatically well run and the old bird races we had in the national were very good, so i take my hat off to you guys for the hard work you are doing.

We cant go on year after year sustaining the kind of looses we saw yesterday. Its not good for the fed or the sport. If we were paying birdage per bird and not paying £7 a week to send im sure the fed would be looking into the matter more seriously as they would be in major financial difficulty if the looses continued, as owen said if thats the end of his season he still has to pay his £7 a week so the fed doesnt loose out.

 

Again we are not pointing the finger at anyone and certainly not you tommy but questions have to be answered otherwise to could find a lot of fanciers leaving at the end of the season and i will be one of them if i have the same issue next week. I was responsible for turning my club to the welsh north road when they were flying north as i was a member of them with the cwmbran farm and we were having great races when going north, as soon as they went east to west things have gone pear shaped.

Just another angry fancier here and i never even sent. We are passionate about this sport and we want to preserve it not kill it off.

 

Jas.

 

 

[Guest tom123]

its always the route or the rece controllers ?

ive flown this route since 1991

granted have never experienced such erratic racing than over the past year or two

but regarding losses aint we lossing track of what may be the reason

for eg

why has the race programme been changed ?

A.owing to the large number of lofts having yb sickness or unabe to train

 

last year or the so i remember fanciers saying lost 8 this week its the new mobile masts they are putting up everywhere  im just wondering what itll be this year

fanciers are there biggest worse problem

they basket there birds for racing one or two dont look right so they leave them home but they still send the rest result sick birds not showing signs of illness go down

and whos to blame

the organisation

never the fancier

[rasbull]

I enjoy the South East route, but facts are speaking for themselves. I think the fed should look to turn south and hopfully then we will all experience good racing. At the moment this isnt racing, it a marathon for survival. Its not fair on the birds or the fanciers who have put so much effort in. I myself have been lucky this week and had 4/5 but last week was a disaster 5/15. These are birds that had been trained upto 20 times upto 40 miles line of flight! They were coming fantastic and out of the 20 tosses I lost just 1 bird. Then race day comes and a further 36 miles for my birds and I am nearly wiped out! I gave those pigeons every chance myself, but is the fed giving the birds the same chance flying this route. If you are flying through everyone else, you are bound to smashed all over the place. The birds have enough to contend with what with all the hawks etc without this extra hazard. We cant do much about the hawk situation but lets help ourselves with things we can change. I have never heard of so many distrungtled fanciers and the amount saying they are not going to continue. Can we really afford to lose these fanciers through our own stupidity? Lets turn the fed and try to regain the enthusiasm of a lot of top quality fanciers who are losing faith, patience and birds more and more on this route! Its time to help ourselves lads!

[holmsidelofts]

Hi tom.

You were one of the lucky ones, lots of fanciers lost a lot of good birds yesterday. How many of those 41 did you get in decent time or did they take most of the day to arrive. Its only 55 miles to us and that race should have been all over in a couple of hours fanciers in my club were get 4-5 birds arriving at 5pm thats 4 and a quarter hours after liberation, I agree that there were some very good performances Derek flowers 1.47, tony malson 1.50, 1.50 but as a whole you have to agree the race wasnt great for 55 miles. The weather was good and visibility was excellent from where i was in shirenewton but i never saw one pigeon come through the way they should have. No one is blaming anyone for this all we want is answers to what has happened, and why is it every year its the same. Its the only road that i have flown on in the last 30 years that has consistently had these issues, every year we change the race program at lib for what ever reason, you cant plan out your season anymore to have birds in different nest conditions because you dont know from week to week where you are going to be. The only decent thing going for this fed is the welsh national flying club which you run, Its fanatically well run and the old bird races we had in the national were very good, so i take my hat off to you guys for the hard work you are doing.

We cant go on year after year sustaining the kind of looses we saw yesterday. Its not good for the fed or the sport. If we were paying birdage per bird and not paying £7 a week to send im sure the fed would be looking into the matter more seriously as they would be in major financial difficulty if the looses continued, as owen said if thats the end of his season he still has to pay his £7 a week so the fed doesnt loose out.

 

Again we are not pointing the finger at anyone and certainly not you tommy but questions have to be answered otherwise to could find a lot of fanciers leaving at the end of the season and i will be one of them if i have the same issue next week. I was responsible for turning my club to the welsh north road when they were flying north as i was a member of them with the cwmbran farm and we were having great races when going north, as soon as they went east to west things have gone pear shaped.

Just another angry fancier here and i never even sent. We are passionate about this sport and we want to preserve it not kill it off.

 

Jas.

 

 

[Guest tom123]

granted they were dropping in all afternoon but they are home had the first at 1.50 and 34 rom 43 when went to club at 3 30 but they are home cant ask for anymore first race

[holmsidelofts]

Hi tom.

You were one of the lucky ones, lots of fanciers lost a lot of good birds yesterday. How many of those 41 did you get in decent time or did they take most of the day to arrive. Its only 55 miles to us and that race should have been all over in a couple of hours fanciers in my club were get 4-5 birds arriving at 5pm thats 4 and a quarter hours after liberation, I agree that there were some very good performances Derek flowers 1.47, tony malson 1.50, 1.50 but as a whole you have to agree the race wasnt great for 55 miles. The weather was good and visibility was excellent from where i was in shirenewton but i never saw one pigeon come through the way they should have. No one is blaming anyone for this all we want is answers to what has happened, and why is it every year its the same. Its the only road that i have flown on in the last 30 years that has consistently had these issues, every year we change the race program at lib for what ever reason, you cant plan out your season anymore to have birds in different nest conditions because you dont know from week to week where you are going to be. The only decent thing going for this fed is the welsh national flying club which you run, Its fanatically well run and the old bird races we had in the national were very good, so i take my hat off to you guys for the hard work you are doing.

We cant go on year after year sustaining the kind of looses we saw yesterday. Its not good for the fed or the sport. If we were paying birdage per bird and not paying £7 a week to send im sure the fed would be looking into the matter more seriously as they would be in major financial difficulty if the looses continued, as owen said if thats the end of his season he still has to pay his £7 a week so the fed doesnt loose out.

 

Again we are not pointing the finger at anyone and certainly not you tommy but questions have to be answered otherwise to could find a lot of fanciers leaving at the end of the season and i will be one of them if i have the same issue next week. I was responsible for turning my club to the welsh north road when they were flying north as i was a member of them with the cwmbran farm and we were having great races when going north, as soon as they went east to west things have gone pear shaped.

Just another angry fancier here and i never even sent. We are passionate about this sport and we want to preserve it not kill it off.

 

Jas.

 

 

[rasbull]

Tom the thing is mate, everyone should be saying the same thing from 60 miles! Not just one or two. Lets face it the best returns in my own club was 6/10 at knock off yesterday. three fanciers had had just 1 bird each. They should be falling through the traps at thay distance and the sad fact is for the majority of fanciers they arent!

[Guest tom123]

i totally agree they should be falling in here from 56 mile and if you or i could put a finger on the problem we would but we cant

 

i was on the phne late last night looking into the lib site has you got to to remeber its a new  site is there something in that area doing the damage and causing th problem

i dont know but ive asked qquestions

 

the feeling is mutual in this area as well has across the board it shouldnt be happening but has yet noone can ansewer the questions we had an early lib last week result dogdy returns a late one this week dodgy returns nothing in the line of flight just no ansewers

[holmsidelofts]

granted they were dropping in all afternoon but they are home had the first at 1.50 and 34 rom 43 when went to club at 3 30 but they are home cant ask for anymore first race

 

Your right tom testament to the birds you put in, but i wouldnt have been happy myself to having birds take 3 - 4 plus to do 55 miles, To much stress on them as they are only babies and this will do nothing for the youngbird sickness that everyone seems to be suffering with, touch wood i havent had it yet.

Let hope next week is better or i will not be  a happy bunny myself, My birds are in fantastic condition if i say so myself, i've had them well trained on my own and with a communal transporter and im expecting to have a very good season but im not confident anymore when top fanciers are loosing loads and we are really only a couple of races in.

 

Enough of my moaning.

Good luck to all who will be sending next week i think we are going to need it.

 

You say nothing in line of flight, other than the 7 birmingham feds in bath that let go before us. we dont know how they cleared and my guess is birds will be reported in birmingham.

Jas

[Guest tom123]

yes jas and were going further god help us

 

the last birmingham fed were away at 11.45 thats the rason for a 12 15 lib  because if we didnt go by 8 am we were sitting it out till noon  they informed our r/c that the last were going at 11 45

[Guest tom123]

now if they didnt clear and we hit them then thats a different issue altogether but then again hey are mostly small feds so shouldnt have made a lot of difference but could have who knows

[Guest stb]

if your birds are clashing surely you must have some of the other birds in your area that your clashing with, to give you an idea.

clashing aint all one way traffic birds go both ways think theres more to it than that.

[rasbull]

I would be willing to bet 3/4 of members in the fed after the first 4 races (the same race point and the shortest) will only have 1/2 there origional team left! I for one have 4 out of 15 and thats after 2! What chances have we got to get further down the road with these numbers? I think the ones who have been lucky upto now will be hit just like the rest of us its just a matter of time!

[Guest tom123]

were just disscussing possibilies stb not known why were having erratic returns

[holmsidelofts]

Tom why didnt we wait until later in the afternoon. when we knew they would have cleared, We could have liberated 2 - 3 pm and we could then have argued the fact that we didnt hit anything as there was no liberated birds to hit. All we have from yesterday is another race with no answers because we cant be sure what happened. Swindon aint far from bath i work in both areas and as a pigeon flies it doent take them long to get to bath, whats to say the bath birds didnt hit something and were pushed towards swindon. There is lots of possible answers including the health of the birds entered but i would put money on it that there was a smash yesterday. We should have had birds coming through chepstow yesterday in there 100's from 55 miles. I drove from pontypool where i live to shirenewton to get a better understanding of the direction they are coming from the race point so i can tailor my training tosses to suit, but not a pigeon in over an hour came through there, that has to tell us something, There are some very good fanciers in newport including yourself and i would have expected them to have been coming that way but they didnt. Also there were feds in ludlow yesterday going to liverpool im not sure what time they liberated but if we for any reason were push up to ludlow area we could have hit them. This road just seems like a lottery at the moment. All i want to do is go racing with the best and that means this road for me.