w.n.r.fed@swindon

[pjc]

phil

i think we all know its a long way off but hey you never know ONE DAY it may happen

 

not in my lifetime though  :'( :'( :'(

 

 

[holmsidelofts]

i'll go back to something i've said many times before if all the feds in the South of Wales went together as the UNC do all other feds would take notice going up and down the country. They would want to know when we wanted to liberate as they would want to avoid our birds but fragmented organisations with small liberations here, there and everywhere will continue to suffer. IMO

 

Good point there. Size does make a difference.

Id also like to add to tommy that im greatfull for all the liberation info that he quickly gets out to us all and the national updates, thats something we never had previous and i find it valuable info so keep up the good work tom.

 

There will always be clashes you cant get away from that thats the nature of the sport but there are tons of feds from the north we cross infront of every week. on the north we had more of a direct line coming down to wales untill we crossed the country to hexham, the only areas of real concern where the liverpool, Blackpool ish feds that we had to cross.

I myself never really suffered with big losses on the north, had fantastic races, with some really good performances in club, fed, open and nationals. east to west is defiantly a harder road due to the clashing and crossing which isnt really racing its just a lottery as to who we will hit next.

Before anyone comments that i should go north again i would at the drop of a hat if it was competitive but the real competition at the moment lies with the east to west but i can see that changing if we are not careful.

 

 

 

 

[Guest tom123]

i got one here paul on top of loft gb 09a been spewing twice so he wonrt be coming in loft straight in isolation when he comes in poor things flown out

[taffacre]

absolutley correct. if we were all in the same place and liberated together it would not happen,all those pigeons coming into wales,how many times have we said it,other feds would want to know where we were and make an effort to avoid the welsh birds ,but like Tom said thats a long way off. pity really because theres a lot of unhappy fanciers in the Welsh North road after yet another CRAP race yesterday.We had a very good race yesterday with the south west glam fed.lib 7.30.Come on lads theres enough leaving the sport already,lets sort it out someway or another.

[Guest]

well owen ,ur not on your own m8,there are several fanciers i know in our fed that have lost ybs, a m8 of mine here in town ...multi fed topper has lost 17 in 2 races...besides what percy takes and scares.

i dont think the fed is to blame ..there is something unexplained how so many ybs are going missing this year?..and they are not getting reported thats a fact....i havent had one reported with me missing about 20ybs.

i know one fancier seriously considering packing in before the seasons over.

Paul, not being funny mate but there isn't no twighlight zone in the UK.  Of course the particular fed is to blame, each one that has responsibility to lib the birds, they should do their homework a lot better its as simple as that.   Rhondda Valley Fed libbed early yesterday morning with excellent returns, another fed from a very close lib point at different times (later) had a nightmare. Modern day technology is at our hands now and it would not take a lot to make sure that the left hand knew what the right hand was doing.  Our RVF birds are no better than any others so our returns can't be a fluke they are a result of our race controllers getting it right because they've done their homework on the skies.

 

Doesn't matter a jot if you joined feds or stayed as we are, if you got a race controller that hasn't done his homework your going to hit problems only with an amalgamated lib the problem would be increased X fold.  JMO

[Guest numpty01]

Paul, not being funny mate but there isn't no twighlight zone in the UK.  Of course the particular fed is to blame, each one that has responsibility to lib the birds, they should do their homework a lot better its as simple as that.   Rhondda Valley Fed libbed early yesterday morning with excellent returns, another fed from a very close lib point at different times (later) had a nightmare. Modern day technology is at our hands now and it would not take a lot to make sure that the left hand knew what the right hand was doing.  Our RVF birds are no better than any others so our returns can't be a fluke they are a result of our race controllers getting it right because they've done their homework on the skies.

 

Doesn't matter a jot if you joined feds or stayed as we are, if you got a race controller that hasn't done his homework your going to hit problems only with an amalgamated lib the problem would be increased X fold.  JMO

twilight zone maybe not but it aint all down to controler is it??? this year has seen the worst loss.s from top flyers thats in a longtime caerwent full top flyers and i mean top this week clocked 20odd birds now these birds all through the season are going missing and thats fed toppers nat birds why?? yes clashing but there is top answer sat on toms loft ??spewing

 

[Guest strapper]

Paul, not being funny mate but there isn't no twighlight zone in the UK.  Of course the particular fed is to blame, each one that has responsibility to lib the birds, they should do their homework a lot better its as simple as that.   Rhondda Valley Fed libbed early yesterday morning with excellent returns, another fed from a very close lib point at different times (later) had a nightmare. Modern day technology is at our hands now and it would not take a lot to make sure that the left hand knew what the right hand was doing.  Our RVF birds are no better than any others so our returns can't be a fluke they are a result of our race controllers getting it right because they've done their homework on the skies.

 

Doesn't matter a jot if you joined feds or stayed as we are, if you got a race controller that hasn't done his homework your going to hit problems only with an amalgamated lib the problem would be increased X fold.  JMO

 

i do agree with most of what your saying ,but when i stated about losses i mean as in loft flying/training/racing.

but one thing ive noticed is that when feds are close to each other even lib at different times there can be unusual losses.

for what ever reason ,summut has to be sorted out or members will leave.

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

what time were rvf up qand from were we were at lynhurst our lot has had heavey loss again

[Guest]

 

i do agree with most of what your saying ,but when i stated about losses i mean as in loft flying/training/racing.

but one thing ive noticed is that when feds are close to each other even lib at different times there can be unusual losses.

for what ever reason ,summut has to be sorted out or members will leave.

 

Off to watch the GP at the mo Paul will answer later.  

 

[Guest numpty01]

 

i do agree with most of what your saying ,but when i stated about losses i mean as in loft flying/training/racing.

but one thing ive noticed is that when feds are close to each other even lib at different times there can be unusual losses.

for what ever reason ,summut has to be sorted out or members will leave.

 

paul as you know ?we both have been in birds a long time and everyyear things get worse we need to be more selective on rds flying and yes most certanly be so careful of other feds inroute but this will never solve the loss of birds i dont think.. we should have one south one north and all fly that one of the worst things in this is as when the unc race anything in there way gets dragged away the same with wrexam at chepstow with 1000.s of birds they turn others around ?we have watched this ourselfs then of coarse the youngsters tire and thats it cios they are the other side of country

 

[Robert Hyde]

I think a lot of clubs are thinking of changing routes next season,I would go north or south in a minute,our club want to change for next season.If they don,t I can see many of our members packing in.

[Guest numpty01]

well dont go with we its a nightmare ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[maxwell]

I reckon the Welsh Feds flying East to West & South Road should put there differences behind them and make a compromise (God forbid one of the organisations having to give in and agree to go with the other,s route)  and fly the South East Route similar to the BICC i have noticed for many years that in general they seem to have some excellent returns on this route. Be nice to see some tidy birdage in the Nationals again. Thats not taking anything from the winners they still have to fly it but with over 30 Nationals a year in Wales i think it would be a lot better to get back to about 5 National Races with all welsh organisations involved.

[Guest tom123]

I think a lot of clubs are thinking of changing routes next season,I would go north or south in a minute,our club want to change for next season.If they don,t I can see many of our members packing in.

 

whilst im of the opinion that if a club decides to go another route id wish them all the best in their new adventure but whats going to happen then once they get a bad race on that route like the chepstow boys did yesterday flying south you`ll move again ?

obviouslly not the ansewer if they aint coming from races with the biggest organisation in wales if its down to clashing

i dont believe returns would be much different in a smaller organisation

but wish you all the best in what ever you do

[holmsidelofts]

I think a lot of clubs are thinking of changing routes next season,I would go north or south in a minute,our club want to change for next season.If they don,t I can see many of our members packing in.

 

What club do you fly in rob?

I have been talking with others offline and we feel its now time to start doing something about it, no point in leaving it to the end of the season, now is the time to start the ball rolling. What we need is accurate loss-age figures from each club in the fed, outlining how many birds have been lost from each race. And the feeling from members in the clubs as to if they want to turn directions. There was lots of talk about this last year but i dont believe the fed wanted anything to do with it as the figures they gave never match what was being said fancier to fancier. I know at least 6 fanciers in my club that would go back north or even south if the majority went, see the issue is that it has to be the majority as otherwise its not worth it.

Im willing to collate all this info and even take it to the fed at the agm to get this sorted out. Ive been in the sport for about 30 years and ive had enough of this problem.

Lets act now.

 

Jas.

 

 

 

[Guest tom123]

didnt this happen a few years ago when the wnr fed switched they catered for both routes till the north died a death

[Guest stb]

i got one here paul on top of loft gb 09a been spewing twice so he wonrt be coming in loft straight in isolation when he comes in poor things flown out

spewing is rife causes massive losses

 

 

[holmsidelofts]

 

whilst im of the opinion that if a club decides to go another route id wish them all the best in their new adventure but whats going to happen then once they get a bad race on that route like the chepstow boys did yesterday flying south you`ll move again ?

obviouslly not the ansewer if they aint coming from races with the biggest organisation in wales if its down to clashing

i dont believe returns would be much different in a smaller organisation

but wish you all the best in what ever you do

 

youre right tom, Small organizations are not the way to go it has to be the whole fed that changes, not individual clubs, If that was the case i would just join the new north if i wanted to fly north, the point is over the course of the season we we east to west route have far more disasters that most other routes. What i would like to see is the west east route be changed to either south east like the BBIC or change completely north, there maybe wasnt enough people to turn it around last time but we are getting more and more people not happy with this route.

 

tommy not that i remembered it like that, i was a member of both welsh north road and the new north and i convinced a lot of people at the time in my club to go to the welsh north road, they were at the time a north route club, We had many more members on the welsh north road so had better racing than that of the new north and thats one of the reasons most clubs came over, it was not to flt the east to west route, we didnt get much choice in that matter what i remember of.

 

[Guest tom123]

exactly stb more and more fanciers should be looking more closelly at there entries rather than blaming individuals

like i previouslly said earlier on this issue one or two not right they leave them home and put the rest in thinking they are ok they been in same loft drinking same water and they lose them and blame he race not themselves

[Guest tom123]

well for those really disapiotned theres currently a north road organisation and a south road organisation in wales that can be jioned so why not jion them and enjoy your hobby if thats what individuals feel like doing

but to try and sway an organisation is the wrong way to go

if  wasnt happy id do what i had to do for myself and not worry about anyone else

[Guest stb]

exactly stb more and more fanciers should be looking more closelly at there entries rather than blaming individuals

like i previouslly said earlier on this issue one or two not right they leave them home and put the rest in thinking they are ok they been in same loft drinking same water and they lose them and blame he race not themselves

yip your spot on, one or two get it they go bulk training within week they have dissaster trainer from 40mls then they find out they all got it.  Problem is it dont always show till after the event unfortunatley.

very close observation required.

you only need a few birds to have it spew on your garden in a basket and the rest eat it, fact.   racing at the distances there at even in a bad race fit and healthy pigeon would normally work back,  sick birds ,well ;)

 

 

[Robert Hyde]

exactly stb more and more fanciers should be looking more closelly at there entries rather than blaming individuals

like i previouslly said earlier on this issue one or two not right they leave them home and put the rest in thinking they are ok they been in same loft drinking same water and they lose them and blame he race not themselves

 

We must be the only fed whos members birds have been badly trained and have y/bs if you look at the RVF & the South Glam feds Returns the last couple of weeks.

 

[holmsidelofts]

well for those really disapiotned theres currently a north road organisation and a south road organisation in wales that can be jioned so why not jion them and enjoy your hobby if thats what individuals feel like doing

but to try and sway an organisation is the wrong way to go

if  wasnt happy id do what i had to do for myself and not worry about anyone else

 

I think that will happen in a lot of clubs this year tom then the issues will only get worse for all clubs. The welsh north road feb were the best feb anywhere when they were flying the north road route. But the biggest mistake they made was going east to west.

Well see at the end of the year but if the lossages continue for the rest of the season i see many clubs leaving and going elsewhere and thats not good for anyone. Im still with this road for one reason only and thats to compete against the best in national races, which i feel is currently the best competition of any route, so we'll see if i feel the same at the end of the season. I take pigeon health very seriously and monitor my birds weekly with the microscope. My birds are in top health with no issues and have been well trained so we'll see what newbury brings them when they go next week.

 

 

[Robert Hyde]

Jas, I am in the Merthyr H.S.

[holmsidelofts]

Jas, I am in the Merthyr H.S.

 

Not a million miles from us then in garndiffaith. are you a big club, we have around 20 members some of them top national flyers who are all experiencing the lossages.