Guest tom123 Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 update at 12 noon regarding liberations this was due to poor visabillity early today in the valleys and 9 federations liberating in the bath area
Guest tom123 Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 birmingham fed went at 1145 from bath /swainswick we were due to go at 12.15
Guest Owen Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Well Tom, my birds did'nt clear the right way. Talk about drops of blood. The race was a total shambles for me and I am already regreting sending. I was hoping for a race that helped with the education of my birds. A race where they released them, gave them some good experience and taught them to trap as they should. What I have got is a marathon from Swindon with birds hours on the wing and they have now had a very bad experience. I will not and can not point the finger of blame. I wish I could. And I sincerly hope that someone somewhere can work put what has gone wrong. At this rate I will not be prepared to send young inexperienced pigeons to become lost and starving. Sorry if my disapointment shows but I am really fed up with all this. I am off now to have my evening meal of rusty nails.
Guest strapper Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 well owen ,ur not on your own m8,there are several fanciers i know in our fed that have lost ybs, a m8 of mine here in town ...multi fed topper has lost 17 in 2 races...besides what percy takes and scares. i dont think the fed is to blame ..there is something unexplained how so many ybs are going missing this year?..and they are not getting reported thats a fact....i havent had one reported with me missing about 20ybs. i know one fancier seriously considering packing in before the seasons over.
Robert Hyde Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 This is one of the worst races Ive had. some of the returns are terrible, I have had 9 from 20 and thats good compared to what ive heard.Drops of blood don,t come into it. I,m Daunted. :-/
Guest Owen Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Thanks Robert and Strapper for you words of suport. I usually do not loose many birds and I've put it down to the fact that I never breed from non winners. And every bird I have sent today comes from at least one winning parent. So this has been a shock and a wake-up call all in one. I'll get over it, but in the mean time I will be very depressed. I hate loosing those beautiful youngsters so cheaply. Swindon. I wish I had a bomb!
Guest tom123 Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 first of all i only put on here what im informed of when they are liberated but obviouslly youll draw you own conclutions so i wont both in future youll have to phone the lib line i got 39 from 43 first race so i got no complaints tom
Guest strapper Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 owen m8 , there must be a lot of men crying in their beer tonite..wondering how why and where....all bewildered as to where they could have gone too...just heard off two club m8s...birds coming down off the north.....have they clashed? hope they come for you both....i didnt race..so its my turn next week.
Guest strapper Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 first of all i only put on here what im informed of when they are liberated but obviouslly youll draw you own conclutions so i wont both in future youll have to phone the lib line i got 39 from 43 first race so i got no complaints tom hi tom i dont think any blame is aimed at you m8...i think everyone is very grateful for your input. i certainly would blame you (never entered my mind)thats for sure ;)chin up m8...and well done for the good returns.
Robert Hyde Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Well Tom, you must be one of the lucky ones,every body I have spoke to had less than 50%.It was the fourth Swindon for One fancier, he has had 11 from 23.
Guest numpty01 Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 dont shoot the messenger as he wont deliver any more messages ;D ;D ;D ;D something is not right this year god knows what it is but loss.s are far to maney :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/i think if anything some fed never cleared and its picked youer birds up enroute going north
taffacre Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Brilliant returns with the South west Glamorgan we were at hullavington liberated at 7.30. only 52 miles to me,and i think that is far enough for the 1st race for young birds.sent 37 and all home,perhaps you should look at starting at a shorter race. Hope they return ,nothing worse than a bad start to the young bird season.
Guest Owen Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Tom, I certainly do not blame you in any way for anything. I am sorry that you felt that I was. But let us deal in some facts. The pigeons were released at 12:15 in conditions that should have given us a good race and good returns. What we got was a very slow race and a large number of young birds still missing. And this is the second week that this has happened. To me, the outcome is very unsatisfactory. I have spoken to quite a few Fanciers and no-one seems to have any idea as to what has happened. I think that there should be some genuine research done to try to find out what has happened. For example, what if any, effect did the Fed that released at Bath around about 12:15 have on our pigeons? Were there any Feds crossing our's that had not co-operated with our Race Controller, which clashed with our's. I know that we do not pay people to do these difficult jobs and therefore we have to be careful how we ask questions. But we should not carry on loosing young pigeons the way we are doing. I think answers have to be found. And with the greatest respect to you, I hope that you will participate in trying to find answers. You are doing a good job by keeping us all informed, and I am certain your heart is in the right place, so why not help us by trying to get to the bottem of this thing. repectfully yours Owen
rasbull Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 My club are the same, the top flyer in old birds 1st race today and didnt have a pigeon out of 30 birds. Another club member has had 2 out of 10 and another 1 out of 10. I think I got lucky this week and had 4 out of 5, but last week only had those 5 out of 15!! The times are poor every race this season from Swindon though, so should the race point be looked at and maybe another chosen before the next race due to be from there? They cant be clashing every week from there can they? To think this is the shortest race point the returns are truly shocking!!!
Guest strapper Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Brilliant returns with the South west Glamorgan we were at hullavington liberated at 7.30. only 52 miles to me,and i think that is far enough for the 1st race for young birds.sent 37 and all home,perhaps you should look at starting at a shorter race. Hope they return ,nothing worse than a bad start to the young bird season. didnt your fed have bad returns last week? swindon today is only 58mls to fanciers here.
taffacre Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Dont think so George Bryant in our club sent 49 and had them all,very few losses,although not many sent.Steve Bright only sent 15 but had them all. spoke to Robert Hyde in Merthyr and his are well trained ,today he had 9 from 20 and has had enough,every week the same, nigel.Swindon to him 70 od miles.
Guest strapper Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 wasnt the k index factor supposed to be high this week end?...isnt this supposed to coincide with losses .
maxwell Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 The RV Fed seem to have had a very good race today, well the people i spoke to did 100% returns batches of 3 & 4 dropping together.
Guest strapper Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 those i have spoken too have said they believe it was the time of lib that may have contrubuted to the losses. wether it was clashing or wotever...no one can really tell. but some have good returns? i can see birdage being down again next week....maybe ill be in with a chance of a fed position? ??) cos im sending hope everyone gets birds home tomorrow if not tonite.
mickf Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Owen,why don't you lot fly the route your fed is named after (north road ) its the feds like yours who fly east to west and vice versa who are causing most of the trouble,the only way to stop all this clashing is to make all feds fly either south or north road route,at least most weeks the south rd birds would be at a different height to the north rd birds and there would be less clashing' till some of the feds start using there brains and stop these birds from flying across flight paths of birds either going south to north or vice versa you are going to get these sort of races most weeks.
Guest strapper Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 Owen,why don't you lot fly the route your fed is named after (north road ) its the feds like yours who fly east to west and vice versa who are causing most of the trouble,the only way to stop all this clashing is to make all feds fly either south or north road route,at least most weeks the south rd birds would be at a different height to the north rd birds and there would be less clashing' till some of the feds start using there brains and stop these birds from flying across flight paths of birds either going south to north or vice versa you are going to get these sort of races most weeks. mick although i think you speak sense about flying across everyone, we only fly across those that are down south. we hear every week about losses up north so its a bit unfair to say that feds like ours are causing most of the trouble. the welsh new north road fly north and have had some real smashes....they dont touch our flight path? the scottish birds recently having a bad race ..didnt cross ours...just like the nwhu two bad races....didnt touch ours. so there will be clashes where ever anyone flys.....its down to timing of lib and feds keeping in touch with feds around that certain area. co operation is the key!
taffacre Posted July 25, 2009 Report Posted July 25, 2009 roberts last 3 pigeon came out of the north looks as if they have caught onto birds going up. hope they appear before they go to far.
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