anyone want yellow (creams) or silver racers?

[symbro]

(From Stockton California.)

 

After I am done breeding for my yb team, I will be breeding a few dilutes for a fellow up in Washington probably.  I was just curious if anyone else wanted some.  I am only charging him for the box/shipping.  Or if he is in the area he can pick them up.  I am also asking that after a few years, down the line after he has bred these birds into his, to send me one or two.

 

The birds I am breeding from are from proven racers.  We have been breeding these in our area for so long that we have since lost the "strain".  I suggested to this fellow to breed the best babies each year back to his original stock.  After four generations, the "strain" would be more than 90% of his stock.  

 

I am in the second year of my project.  This year I expect about one forth of my birds in my racing team to be dilutes.  Yellows (creams) or silvers.   Some of these babies will be carrying barless also.

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Genetics:

Breeding a dilute hen to a normal cock will produce all cocks who carry hidden dilute.

and normal hens.

 

Breeding a hidden dilute cock to a normal hen will produce 50% dilute hens and 50% hidden dilute cocks.

 

Breeding a dilute cock to a normal hen will produce all dilute hens and all hidden dilute cocks.

 

Breeding a hidden dilute cock to a dilute hen will produce 50-50 dilute hens and cocks.  the cocks here will be either dilute or hidden dilutes.

 

You can see how easy it can be to follow the dilute gene down a few generations.  Most babies you know based on their sex if they carry the gene or not.  The only exception is a hidden dilute cock produces some cocks that also carry the gene.  This you can only figure out after the offspring has babies of its own.

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Symbro

[symbro]

well i got a few pm's...  i will ask again when i get closer, so i know how many to breed.  anyone else interested?

 

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=1658828

 

here are some pics if anyone wants to just see em... they so good look'n!

[Guest CS]

Nice colours mate.

[Guest shadow]

look more like mealies than yellows and creams to me

[birdman55678]

Symbro.

In the first picture you have ybs that your calling two dominate opal redash bars, what exactyly are they and what did you breed together to get them, not sure if I have ever saw one with a white bar like that.  Thanks.  Ed

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

those young ones look well to young to wean,but do they race well

[symbro]

Redfox: those young ones were last some of last years.  Half of them did well.  the other half were mostly for colour and did better than expected.  This years batch should do much better for many different reasons.

 

Ed: the dominate opals (did not know i had it labled haha) is a gene.  usually seen in blues but i crossed it to a red to see what would happen.  it is quite dramatic looking.  those two in the picture did not do well.

 

shadow: what you call mealys are just red bars.  and yes there are a couple of redbars in the pictures with the yellows (creams is just a different name for yellow) so that you could see the difference.  If you cant tell the difference between red and yellow, ya might go get your eyes checked.  haha there is a big difference in the pics between the two.  in person they look even more different.

[Guest shadow]

dO NOT NEED MY EYES CHECKED MY WIFE USED TO KEEP YELLOWs AND THEY WERE FAR DEEPER IN COLOUR THAN THE ONES IN THE PHOTO  

[symbro]

solid yellow?

[Guest CS]

Symbro, Do you have a pictures of Grizzles?

[Guest shadow]

solid yellow?

Yes

 

 

[gangster]

do they win prizes ..............coz thats what counts... the reference to co;ours is more show bird definition of the colours ..ie normal redash...is to me a red cheq..............

[jimmy white]

better with a red card than a red cheq,,,,,,,,or just the cheque ;D ;D ;D

[symbro]

Yes

 

 

if i know what you are talking about... they yes the yellow would be slightly different.  dilute cuts the amount of pigment by half.  the dilutes your wife had were recessive reds.  it is a slightly darker colour than normal reds.  

[symbro]

Symbro, Do you have a pictures of Grizzles?

 

 

i could get some... but there are plenty out on the web.  i do not have any good red grizzles yet... i will probally next year.

[symbro]

do they win prizes ..............coz thats what counts... the reference to co;ours is more show bird definition of the colours ..ie normal redash...is to me a red cheq..............

 

yep.

 

i breed race quality first and colour second.  by the way.  normal redash check is a red cheq to you.  normal redash has nothing to do with pattern.  but that is the problem with the names we all give to birds.  every different group has a different name for the same bird.  even different clubs in the same combine.

[Guest beautyhomer]

symbro,

 

It never ceases to amaze me how most fanciers cannot understand that there are only 3 basic colours.When one of these colours is found in combination with pattern genes and colour modifyers they consider them a different colour when it is just a different expression of the same basic colour. e.g

 

ash red + cheq = red cheq

ash red + bar   = mealy

ash red + spread = strawberry    (must include 2 pattern genes as well)

ash red + cheq +dilute = yellow cheq

ash red + bar + dilute = cream

 

Although they are all very different to the eye,the fact remains that they are all ash reds.

 

 

[symbro]

lol

dont even get me started!

 

people like to call red bars - silvers

then i wonder what do the call dilute blues... haha

[Guest TAMMY_1]

look more like mealies than yellows and creams to me

 

WOULD AGREE WITH YOU HERE SHADOW, I HAVE LOADS OF MEALYS THAT LOOK THE SAME

[Guest beautyhomer]

Tammy,

           If you cannot tell the difference between these two pigeons it is no wonder that racing fanciers are clueless when it comes to colour genetics.

[symbro]

those are some damn good looking birds you got there beautyhomer!!!  (hehe)

[Guest WINGS 04]

THE OPELS I BREED SOME OF THEM EACH YEAR THE COME FROM VAN WINKEL JANNSENS I GOT 2 COCKS 1 OPEL(BARLISS MELY) ASYOUNG BIRDS BUT WHEN THEY MOLT THEY GET THE BARS THE OTHERE WAS A CHEQ OUT THE SAME NEST  

[Guest Greenways]

Hi. Does anybody in the UK breed yellows as I have a friend that is trying to breed them but only has one and a dark chequer which is surpose to produce them but not every round

Cheers

[Guest beautyhomer]

Is the yellow that your friend has a cock or a hen?

[crazy pigeon boy]

i would love to have some yellows or silver / cream birds i am a young fancier and want to add a little colour to my loft do you know where i can get some that arnt very expensive