tedweb Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 hello I have a well knitted group of 60 birds but always have 2 reluctant trappers( the same ones) any suggestions?? cheers ted
stevebelbin Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Lock the trap behing them and leave them out all night. If they keep doing it, remove them from the loft as your others will soon follow!!
Guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Lock the trap behing them and leave them out all night. If they keep doing it, remove them from the loft as your others will soon follow!! You'll find the bird doesn't like being locked out of the loft nor the fact it's your decision whether it comes in or not! Would stop short of Steven's 'leave them out all night' tho I agree 100% with everything else he advises. My reason is that the bird is unlikely to perch up away from the loft, and being on the loft during darkness may attract anything looking for an easy meal. Having found one, it will most likely come back again, and again ....
carl Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Give them nothing at all to eat when you do get them in,if they do this the next day give them nothing again,,,they should be the first ones in after missing a few feeds,if they still dont go in well i wouldnt waste my time with them..
ACE LOFTS Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 the best advise from these is carls, in my personnel view. if they keep playing up get rid of them coz they will break your heart on race days.
Guest shadow Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Move them on will only cause you trouble come racing
madmaxlofts Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 id try carls approch first teach them no in no food
pigeonscout Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 If they are cocks lock another cock in their box so every time they come in their is one in their box. You will only need to do this 4 or 5 times and they will be the first ones in.
pigeonscout Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 If they are hens lock them out untill all the other birds are feed then take food away and let them in.
Beanz Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 Try Carls approach first but if it don't work, put then in a black container, THE BIN.
Guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 I have only been racing for 3 seasons and i had this prob first year birds would sit on house roofs for hours then i spoke to an old fancier who suggested that as i didnt want to starve them and food was the best way of control that i get them on peanuts for trapping its suprising what they will do for peanuts even if birds have just been fed i only need to pick up peanut pot and they fall over each other to get in youd think they were starving
stevebelbin Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 I have only been racing for 3 seasons and i had this prob first year birds would sit on house roofs for hours then i spoke to an old fancier who suggested that as i didnt want to starve them and food was the best way of control that i get them on peanuts for trapping its suprising what they will do for peanuts even if birds have just been fed i only need to pick up peanut pot and they fall over each other to get in youd think they were starving Spot on . Always works a treat, but you need to teach them to eat them really early in their life , as they seem to struggle to pick them up if you dont.
Guest shadow Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 Will still not be reliable when they get stressed racing which I found out to my cost
snowy Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 food is the answer, make sure these two get no food when they get in, even if its for a few days, they will learn (if they dont trap quick they wont get no food) this happened to me. good luck
schouwman71 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 agree with carl,but i have also found that they will split from the pack when let out and drop at someone elses loft to scrounge about so now i hardly tollerate with them now.
blackjack Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 Look in the mirror and see if you have done anything different with these as young birds quite often young birds/ yearlings can be relutant though handling when clocked we do not clock youngsters if we race they trap well and are not stressed. Play about with the birds concened and get thier trust feed a few groats or broken peanuts when you play with them . We are always looking at the birds to blame instead of our management . Try and get thier trust and talk and play with them they can often surprise you.
carl Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 HOWS THE BIRDS TRAPPING NOW ??.. Got to say i dont like leaving my birds out over night even if i cant get them in,theres loads of cats around our allotment area being around lots of houses. I will try my hardest to get them in even if i have to get them in another section...
Guest speckled Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 blackjack agree with ya 100% the birds needs that confidence of the hand that feeds & clocks them :-/,at least thay get a treat at the end of .& hopefully do the person that flys them lol \speck
mickmcgrevy Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 At the end of the day if a bird will not come in to the loft he isn't hungry. Things can be learnt from repetition, but it sounds to me as though you are overfeeding.
Guest slugmonkey Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 I have had several bad trapping phenominal pigeons in fact the best racer I own is probably the worst, be careful about culling these two chances are they wont be very good but at least take the time to find out could it be that they are in better shape than others and just dont need to get in loft as fast ???
andy h Posted February 13, 2007 Report Posted February 13, 2007 IF YOU HAVE DONE EVERTHING TO GET THEM TO TRAP AND STILL NO JOY TAKE THEM OUT OF YOUR TEAM.IT HAPPEND TO US A HEN THAT WOULD NEVER TRAP IT CAME TO WIN ONE RACE BUT JUST SAT THERE WE WOULD OF WON THE RACE . (IT NEVER DID IT AGAIN) YOUR THE BOSS NOT THEM
jimmy white Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 blackjack agree with ya 100% the birds needs that confidence of the hand that feeds & clocks them :-/,at least thay get a treat at the end of .& hopefully do the person that flys them lol \speck must give this one to speck,,, its the owner to blame for bad trappers, not the birds ,,,, they need that confidence from day one
bazza Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 Not sure which is the correct answer but in our limited experience we handled all our young birds after each race as they trapped,up to 36 were sent at one time.We never had a bad trap because of it,and our birds would be what you would call over fed,just think they had a happy enviroment.
Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS Posted March 1, 2007 Report Posted March 1, 2007 You'll find the bird doesn't like being locked out of the loft nor the fact it's your decision whether it comes in or not! Would stop short of Steven's 'leave them out all night' tho I agree 100% with everything else he advises. My reason is that the bird is unlikely to perch up away from the loft, and being on the loft during darkness may attract anything looking for an easy meal. Having found one, it will most likely come back again, and again .... Yer i would leave em out all night or keep them hungary for a day theyll soon know whos boss!
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