Opinions on fanciers removing ETS rings

[me]

very true most fanciers used to get 12 to 15 rings very few birds were lost , but its win at all costs , and to have one or two members send 100 birds a week each is more common place ,  there bound to have a few in form with far greater losses , yes there are too many paper birds about , pedigrees were introduced to inflate prices and were far away from the working mans pocket , good birds win races better to have quality over quantity any day in my view. As you say if you have taken a bird up the road near its home and helped it on its way home on the day its raced then yes the rubber should be removed , but common sense would predict that a pigeon flying home would in most cases would beat a car.

 

Pleased to see you are "sort of" contradicting what you said earlier oldyellow and agreeing with "me" good doos fly straight up the road and don't drop off for "a helping hand" on the way. Race "rubbers" are just that, race rubbers and should be treated with the same respect they alwas have been.

 

Best of luck with your doos this weekend if you are lucky enough to get a race.

 

[OLDYELLOW]

im sure ill get a race birds will be up early rain sets in around one here tomorrow , i also wish you get a good race tomorrow , id like a few head winds i feel the ybs are having it too easy with the exception of rain of course

[stan p]

  i cant understand how it is just to take a rubber of but dont take my ets ring of or your

thief or worse

[me]

  i cant understand how it is just to take a rubber of but dont take my ets ring of or your

thief or worse

 

Sorry?

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

Can't believe some of the posts on this thread.

 

Strag pigeons i.e those that are not capable of going home to their own lofts under their own steam, have traditionally been identified by doomen by removing their "rubber", so that the owner, presuming it ever managed to find its way home, could make an "informed" decision about their bird. The guy who removed your ETS "RUBBER" from your doo is doing you a favour. Or is the ets ring more valuable than the doo? Think about it!!

 

there are birds lost this year by fanciers far better than i will ever be, that have lost birds with many wins behind them,its down to you ,but i would never remove a rubber [or ets ring] its not my place or right to do it,its not my bird,if the bird returns to its owner "late" then it does not matter about the rubber removal [theres a song about that somewhere]the owner will/should know his birds and if they are worth keeping, they are not all " poor specimens"

[Merlin]

Yeah its okay to remove race rubber,but ANY other rings removed,never.

[Guest chrisss]

Yeah its okay to remove race rubber,but ANY other rings removed,never.

 

i will of course bow to you sage council on this ;D ;D ;D ;D

[me]

 

there are birds lost this year by fanciers far better than i will ever be, that have lost birds with many wins behind them,its down to you ,but i would never remove a rubber [or ets ring] its not my place or right to do it,its not my bird,if the bird returns to its owner "late" then it does not matter about the rubber removal [theres a song about that somewhere]the owner will/should know his birds and if they are worth keeping, they are not all " poor specimens"

 

 

Not been cheeky but I presume you are a novice. Some owners would not know a good doo if it flew in their face. On the other hand some "owners" would know and be capable, as I said earlier of making an "informed" decision. Try and listen and learn by other peoples mistakes its the smart way to do it. Trust "me".

 

[stan p]

me

    a pigeon  dropt in to owere loft from a channel race went on to be one of the best birds

    to fly in the cumbria combine with you at the helm it had no chance as you would have taken

    rubber of subject closed

[Guest chrisss]

 

 

Not been cheeky but I presume you are a novice. Some owners would not know a good doo if it flew in their face. On the other hand some "owners" would know and be capable, as I said earlier of making an "informed" decision. Try and listen and learn by other peoples mistakes its the smart way to do it. Trust "me".

 

so sorry, i should have known that been a novice means that i cannot tell the difference between my axxxx and my elbow,have you got any idea at all how hacked off i get been told that i know jack sxxx because i am a novice,christ some guys treat a novice like they were dealing with a sheep sxxxxxx,what you do with strays/lost birds is up to you , i choose a different way,i also assume that if i win a race [next year now] i become an expert?

[me]

very true most fanciers used to get 12 to 15 rings very few birds were lost , but its win at all costs , and to have one or two members send 100 birds a week each is more common place ,  there bound to have a few in form with far greater losses , yes there are too many paper birds about , pedigrees were introduced to inflate prices and were far away from the working mans pocket , good birds win races better to have quality over quantity any day in my view. As you say if you have taken a bird up the road near its home and helped it on its way home on the day its raced then yes the rubber should be removed , but common sense would predict that a pigeon flying home would in most cases would beat a car.

A bird can make a mistake but more fault id lie at the fanciers door but you cant tell a bird is good enough untill its done what its been bred for and thats racing , are all stray bad ? read this

 

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/A_Wonderful_Stray.html

 

 

In my own humble opinion I was privileged to be gifted (as in "you have reported this bird would you like to keep it") and subsequently own and race one of the best "strays" in the country. Luckily for the bird in question I knew a good doo when I saw it and their were obvious mitagating circumstances that I will not go into that made "me" answer the owners question "yes I would". One of the best racers I ever owned, so please don't think I am suggesting some birds are not worth a second chance. That is not the point I am making.

 

For those who find it difficult to see the woods for the trees, in the not so distant future, fanciers whose birds use "normal" race rubbers will (per bird per race) be paying more to race their doos than people whose birds have ets. Think about it!

 

[me]

me

    a pigeon  dropt in to owere loft from a channel race went on to be one of the best birds

    to fly in the cumbria combine with you at the helm it had no chance as you would have taken

    rubber of subject closed

 

i AM AFRAID STAN THE BIRD SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFIED SUBJECT CLOSED NOW!

 

 

[me]

 

so sorry, i should have known that been a novice means that i cannot tell the difference between my axxxx and my elbow,have you got any idea at all how hacked off i get been told that i know jack sxxx because i am a novice,christ some guys treat a novice like they were dealing with a sheep sxxxxxx,what you do with strays/lost birds is up to you , i choose a different way,i also assume that if i win a race [next year now] i become an expert?

 

To be honest you don't sound like a dooman to "me" at all. Its not something to feel bad about some people go through their whole lives keeping and enjoying their pigeons without ever being "doomen". Enjoy your birds and love them you'll find the more you do the more you will get out of them even if you never get to the heights you dreamed of getting to when you started. Not everyone is successful but their birds still need to looked after. All the best.

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

 

In my own humble opinion I was privileged to be gifted (as in "you have reported this bird would you like to keep it") and subsequently own and race one of the best "strays" in the country. Luckily for the bird in question I knew a good doo when I saw it and their were obvious mitagating circumstances that I will not go into that made "me" answer the owners question "yes I would". One of the best racers I ever owned, so please don't think I am suggesting some birds are not worth a second chance. That is not the point I am making.

 

For those who find it difficult to see the woods for the trees, in the not so distant future, fanciers whose birds use "normal" race rubbers will (per bird per race) be paying more to race their doos than people whose birds have ets. Think about it!

 

Why will people be paying more to race with rubbers on ? our club buys the rubbers , the race sheets printer ink paper , clock rolls ectra ,  so everyone in club that pays there fees contributes to buying these things. or perhaps the ets users will refuse to pay 0.2p for rubbers there not using ?

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

 

 

Not been cheeky but I presume you are a novice. Some owners would not know a good doo if it flew in their face. On the other hand some "owners" would know and be capable, as I said earlier of making an "informed" decision. Try and listen and learn by other peoples mistakes its the smart way to do it. Trust "me".

 

well iknow two owners who never their words they are rubbish one has bred nat winner second nat winner counless fed birds through its family another out of six young this year so far 4 have scored in top 5 club one has a first other is knocking on door

[Merlin]

My own slant on this,if a race bird enters my loft during its race,its disqualified itself,now at whatt point to remove race rubber,I personally would do it with the bird,thats capable of getting up early next morning,and homing,why should that bird be given the oppertunity to "possibily" beat birds that have soldiered on ,without any overnight R/R.

[ChrisMaidment08]

and to be a novice holds no shame but to assume we who are not  and love to point out how clever we are is im afraid i now some of best fiyers around and they would encourage novics not criterzise for there lack of winning

[me]

 

Why will people be paying more to race with rubbers on ? our club buys the rubbers , the race sheets printer ink paper , clock rolls ectra ,  so everyone in club that pays there fees contributes to buying these things. or perhaps the ets users will refuse to pay 0.2p for rubbers there not using ?

 

Yes they do now old yellow but what about in 5  or 10 years time? Race rubbers are race rubbers end of story, if you can't afford to put a "rubber" on your doo without worring about the cost its time to pack it in I'm afraid.

 

[Guest chrisss]

 

To be honest you don't sound like a dooman to "me" at all. Its not something to feel bad about some people go through their whole lives keeping and enjoying their pigeons without ever being "doomen". Enjoy your birds and love them you'll find the more you do the more you will get out of them even if you never get to the heights you dreamed of getting to when you started. Not everyone is successful but their birds still need to looked after. All the best.

 

if you can read the future, that well can you give me tomorrows numbers?,its a very interesting remark you made about that the more you do for your birds the more you get out of them,now guys like frank tasker/paul haltermann claim that the more you do for your birds the less they do for you,no offence i am sure you are very nice to old ladies,you frankly patronise like one, but i will go with these guys on that, i have never met a good [i mean good] pigeon flyer [not fancier]that sounded like anything,they walk/talk just like the rest of us, i will be successful with pigeons, if you had any idea at all what i have given up to get to the stage i am now,it would turn your hair white,please store this reply away in your pc [anywhere] and ask me again next year [perhaps we could have a little wager on it?, iwill get to the heights i wish to get to

[me]

and to be a novice holds no shame but to assume we who are not  and love to point out how clever we are is im afraid i now some of best fiyers around and they would encourage novics not criterzise for there lack of winning

 

We were all novices once so you are right no shame. I am trying to give advice and be honest, no one has to take my advice but it is given with the best of intentions.

 

 

[Merlin]

Chris total agreement with your statement,have been keeping and racing pigeons over 50 years,I am still a novice,always learning,hopefully capable of doing so,till my ten toes are turned up,but I suspect we are all novices in so many ways, civility,being courteous,tolerance,kindness,many many ways,and the arrogant ones who professes to know it all,they are possibily the biggest novices of us all.

[Guest chrisss]

My own slant on this,if a race bird enters my loft during its race,its disqualified itself,now at whatt point to remove race rubber,I personally would do it with the bird,thats capable of getting up early next morning,and homing,why should that bird be given the oppertunity to "possibily" beat birds that have soldiered on ,without any overnight R/R.

 

thats a good post,but how do you know its still in the race?,this is a honest thirst for info

[Merlin]

Nothing concrete Chriss like so many things in my pigeon life,its based on a "hunch" and its general physical appearance

[Guest chrisss]

Nothing concrete Chriss like so many things in my pigeon life,its based on a "hunch" and its general physical appearance

 

cheers mate i think i know what you mean

[me]

 

if you can read the future, that well can you give me tomorrows numbers?,its a very interesting remark you made about that the more you do for your birds the more you get out of them,now guys like frank tasker/paul haltermann claim that the more you do for your birds the less they do for you,no offence i am sure you are very nice to old ladies,you frankly patronise like one, but i will go with these guys on that, i have never met a good [i mean good] pigeon flyer [not fancier]that sounded like anything,they walk/talk just like the rest of us, i will be successful with pigeons, if you had any idea at all what i have given up to get to the stage i am now,it would turn your hair white,please store this reply away in your pc [anywhere] and ask me again next year [perhaps we could have a little wager on it?, iwill get to the heights i wish to get to

 

 

All the best I am sure you will get a few thrills from your birds from a few inland races. Feel free to pm "me" for advice if you ever want to try long distance racing. And what I said was look after them and love them NOT MOLLYCODDLE THEM, don't put words into my mouth I am quite capable of speaking for myself.