Vaccine for cocci

[pigeonscout]

Would a cocci vaccine be a good or bad thing

[Guest joshdonlan]

bad, too many vaccines i feel.  :-/

[adam owen]

good if it stopped it

 

 

 

 

[pigeonscout]

good if it stopped it

 

 

 

I never knew there was such a thing until I found this tonight

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/cocciforum/issue7/49/cocci-profile-coccidiosis-vaccination-takes-hold-in-china

[Guest IB]

They either have one / developing one for poultry in Britain. Given the crowded insanitary conditions in these sheds, I'd say there was a need there. But you can't compare those sheds with pigeon lofts, so I won't be using one.

[dwh]

They either have one / developing one for poultry in Britain. Given the crowded insanitary conditions in these sheds, I'd say there was a need there. But you can't compare those sheds with pigeon lofts, so I won't be using one.

 

agree in 1 word no

[pjc]

easily controlled and checked for so why the need to vaccinate?

[blackswan]

having worked in the poultry industry over forty years ago and knowing the conditions that the birds were brought up in it is not surprising that cocci was rife in places in the far east       i do not think i will be giving my  pigeons a jag for cocci

[ch pied]

How about this , A herbal powder that stimulate's the rumen /gut just like a probotic , with the added effect of supressing cocci . just put it on the feed like any other product .

Is this for real ( Oh Yes  )  No you can't smoke this stuff   ;D

[holmsidelofts]

How about this , A herbal powder that stimulate's the rumen /gut just like a probotic , with the added effect of supressing cocci . just put it on the feed like any other product .

Is this for real ( Oh Yes  )  No you can't smoke this stuff   ;D

 

There is multiple poultry vaccines for cocci below are just some info.

 

Coccivac®-B

 

Coccivac®-B Coccidosis vaccine -- Eimeria acervulina, E. mivati,

E. maxima, E. tenella -- Live Oocysts, Chicken Isolates

 

Indications

For vaccination of healthy chickens at one day of age or older as an aid in preventing performance losses or mortality due to coccidiosis.

 

Features and Benefits

Controlled dose stimulates immune response

Approved for administration via spray cabinet or eye spray at one day of age

May be administered orally on the feed to chickens one to three days of age

Vaccine oocysts are highly sensitive to anticoccidial drugs

Early vaccination stimulates immunity without adverse impact on flock performance

Rigorous Quality Control assures that Coccivac-B is free of contaminants such as Salmonella spp.

No additional information available

 

Coccivac®-D

 

Coccivac®-D Coccidiosis vaccine -- live oocysts

 

Indications

For vaccination of healthy breeders and layers as an aid in preventing coccidiosis.

 

No additional information available

 

Paracox®-5

Paracox®-5 Coccidiosis vaccine -- live oocysts

 

Indications

For the active immunization of chickens to reduce infection and clinical signs caused by E. acervulina, E. maxima, E. mitis, and E. tenella.

 

Features and Benefits

Marketplace Advantages:

Gives producers flexibility to offer "drug free" birds

Differentiates birds from standard "feed-additive" broiler

Improves consumer friendly image of poultrymeat

Allows premium pricing to "green" markets

Eliminates residue concerns for consumers

Therapeutic Superiority

Protects against all Eimeria spp. important to broilers

Birds remain protected for entire broiler cycle after a single administration

Reduces risk of late outbreaks

Eliminates undesirable side effects of coccidiostats

Eliminates risk of toxicity in non-target species

Attenuated strains remain apathogenic and sensitive after successive recycling on broiler farm

Improves protection of birds on cereal supplementation programs

No need for complicated drug rotation programs

Production Efficiencies

Removal of coccidiostat allows for greater nutrient density in feed

Elimination of anti-coccidial rations results in fewer ration types necessary at feed mill

Reduces time spent flushing feed mill lines to clear coccidiostat residues

Reduces space requirements for coccidiostat storage

No withdrawal period means greater flexibility in planning and inventory of grower and finisher rations

Elimination of residue and regulatory worries associated with use of coccidiostats

 

 

There really isnt a need for one in racing pigeons as cocci is easily controlled with good hygiene and a dry loft. We have fantastic products like baycox which irradiates cocci pretty well.

 

jas.

 

What you have to also remember is that cocci in pigeons cant be transmitted to poultry and vice versa as they are host specific, i have asked this question multiple times to the pigeon vets i know as i have chickens next to me and im told that it cant be passed on. it also says in Dr zsolt talabers book vets tips for fanciers the same.

 

 

So there would be no point in trying a poultry vaccine because of that reason.

 

The cocci that infect pigeons are mainly these three strains, Eimeria Labbeana, E.columbarum and E.columbae.

In chickens its  mainly the following strains, Eimeria acervulina, E. mivati, E. maxima, E. tenella

[ch pied]

"What you have to also remember is that cocci in pigeons cant be transmitted to poultry and vice versa as they are host specific, i have asked this question multiple times to the pigeon vets i know as i have chickens next to me and im told that it cant be passed on. it also says in Dr zsolt talabers book vets tips for fanciers the same.

 

 

So there would be no point in trying a poultry vaccine because of that reason. "

 

 

I have made no refrence to a vacc . but a natural product in the form of a herb .

You say strain specific cocci in pigeon's & chicken's , How about Rabbit's ?

[pearse1888]

no chance

[ch pied]

no chance

do you mean no chance of x contamination from rabbit's ?

 

[holmsidelofts]

"What you have to also remember is that cocci in pigeons cant be transmitted to poultry and vice versa as they are host specific, i have asked this question multiple times to the pigeon vets i know as i have chickens next to me and im told that it cant be passed on. it also says in Dr zsolt talabers book vets tips for fanciers the same.

 

 

So there would be no point in trying a poultry vaccine because of that reason. "

 

 

I have made no refrence to a vacc . but a natural product in the form of a herb .

You say strain specific cocci in pigeon's & chicken's , How about Rabbit's ?

 

Hi cheq pied i dont know why your quote was in there i was just responding to the general thread itself.

No cocci cant be transmitted been different species, cocci is found in lots of animals including pigs, birds, dog, rabbits, etc but are specific to each creature.

Jas.

[sammy]

do you mean no chance of x contamination from rabbit's ?

 

always wondered davie can pigeons catch cocci from rabbits ???

[DOVEScot]

 

always wondered davie can pigeons catch cocci from rabbits ???

 

Worth a read

Coccidiosis is the disease caused by coccidian infection. Coccidiosis is a parasitic disease of the intestinal tract of animals, caused by coccidian protozoa. The disease spreads from one animal to another by contact with infected feces or ingestion of infected tissue. Diarrhea, which may become bloody in severe cases, is the primary symptom. Most animals infected with coccidia are asymptomatic; however, young or immuno-compromised animals may suffer severe symptoms, including death.

 

While coccidian organisms can infect a wide variety of animals, including humans, birds, and livestock, they are usually species-specific. One well-known exception is toxoplasmosis, caused by Toxoplasma gondii.

 

People often first encounter coccidia when they acquire a young puppy or kitten who is infected. The infectious organisms are canine/feline-specific and are not contagious to humans (compare to zoonotic diseases).

 

[edit] Coccidia in dogs

Young puppies are frequently infected with coccidia and often develop active Coccidiosis -- even puppies obtained from diligent professional breeders. Infected puppies almost always have received the parasite from their mother's feces. Typically, healthy adult animals shedding the parasite's oocysts in their feces will be asymptomatic because of their developed immune systems. However, undeveloped immune systems make puppies more susceptible. Further, stressors such as new owners, travel, weather changes, and unsanitary conditions are believed to activate infections in susceptible animals.

 

Symptoms in young dogs are universal: at some point around 2-3 months of age, an infected dog develops persistently loose stools. This diarrhea proceeds to stool containing liquid, thick mucus, and light colored fecal matter. As the infection progresses, spots of blood may become apparent in the stool, and sudden bowel movements may surprise both dog and owner alike. Other symptoms may include poor appetite, vomiting, dehydration, and sometimes death. Coccidia infection is so common that any pup under 4 months old with these symptoms can almost surely be assumed to have coccidiosis.

 

Fortunately, the treatment is inexpensive, extremely effective, and routine. A veterinarian can easily diagnose the disease through low-powered microscopic examination of an affected dog's feces, which usually will be replete with oocysts. One of many easily administered and inexpensive drugs will be prescribed, and, in the course of just a few days, an infection will be eliminated or perhaps reduced to such a level that the dog's immune system can make its own progress against the infection. Even when an infection has progressed sufficiently that blood is present in feces, permanent damage to the gastrointestinal system is rare, and the dog will most likely make a complete recovery without long-lasting negative effects.

 

If one dog of a litter has coccidiosis, then most certainly all dogs at a breeder's kennels have active coccidia infections. Breeders should be notified if a newly-acquired pup is discovered to be infected with coccidia. Breeders can take steps to eradicate the organism from their kennels, including applying medications in bulk to an entire facility.

 

[edit] Genera and species that cause coccidiosis

Genus Isospora is the most common cause of intestinal coccidiosis in dogs and cats and is usually what is meant by coccidiosis. Species of Isospora are species specific, meaning they only infect one type of species. Species that infect dogs include I. canis, I. ohioensis, I. burrowsi, and I. neorivolta. Species that infect cats include I. felis and I. rivolta. The most common symptom is diarrhea. Sulfonamides are the most common treatment. [3]

Genus Cryptosporidium contains two species known to cause cryptosporidiosis, C. parvum and C. muris. Cattle are most commonly affected by Cryptosporidium, and their feces are often assumed to be a source of infection for other mammals including humans. Recent genetic analyses of Cryptosporidium in humans have identified Cryptosporidium hominis as a new species specific for humans. Infection occurs most commonly in individuals that are immunocompromised, e.g. dogs with canine distemper, cats with feline leukemia virus infection, and humans with AIDS. Very young puppies and kittens can also become infected with Cryptosporidium, but the infection is usually eliminated without treatment.[3]

Genus Hammondia is transmitted by ingestion of cysts found in the tissue of grazing animals and rodents. Dogs and cats are the definitive hosts, with the species H. heydorni infecting dogs and the species H. hammondi and H. pardalis infecting cats. Hammondia usually does not cause disease.[3]

Genus Besnoitia infect cats that ingest cysts found in the tissue of rodents and opossum, but usually does not cause disease.[3]

Genus Sarcocystis infect carnivores that ingest cysts from various intermediate hosts. It is possible for Sarcocystis to cause disease in dogs and cats.[3]

Genus Toxoplasma has one important species, Toxoplasma gondii. Cats are the definitive host, but all mammals and some fish, reptiles, and amphibians can be intermediate hosts. Therefore, only cat feces will hold infective oocysts, but infection through ingestion of cysts can occur with the tissue of any intermediate host. Toxoplasmosis occurs in humans usually as low-grade fever or muscle pain for a few days. A normal immune system will suppress the infection but the tissue cysts will persist in that animal or human for years or the rest of its life. In immunocompromised individuals, those dormant cysts can be reactivated and cause many lesions in the brain, heart, lungs, eyes, etc. Without a competent immune system, the animal or human will most likely die from the infection. For pregnant women, the fetus is at risk if the pregnant woman becomes infected for the first time during pregnancy. If the woman had been infected during childhood or adolescence, she will have an immunity that will protect her developing fetus during pregnancy. The most important misconception about the transmission of toxoplasmosis comes from statements like 'ingestion of raw or undercooked meat, or cat feces.' Kitchen hygiene is much more important because people do tend to taste marinades or sauces before being cooked, or chop meat then vegetables without properly cleaning the knife and cutting board. Many physicians mistakenly put panic in their pregnant clients and advise them to get rid of their cat without really warning them of the likely sources of infection. Adult cats are very unlikely to shed infective oocysts. Symptoms in cats include fever, weight loss, diarrhea, vomiting, uveitis, and central nervous system signs. Disease in dogs includes a rapidly progressive form seen in dogs also infected with distemper, and a neurological form causing paralysis, tremors, and seizures. Dogs and cats are usually treated with clindamycin.[3]

Genus Neospora has one important species, Neospora caninum, that affects dogs in a manner similar to toxoplasmosis. Neosporosis is difficult to treat.[3]

Genus Hepatozoon contains one species that causes hepatozoonosis in dogs and cats, Hepatozoon canis. Animals become infected by ingesting an infected Rhipicephalus sanguineus, also known as the brown dog tick. Symptoms include fever, weight loss, and pain of the spine and limbs.

The most common medications used to treat coccidian infections are in the sulphonamide family. Although unusual, sulphonamides can damage the tear glands in some dogs, causing keratoconjunctivitis sicca, or "dry eye", which may have a life-long impact. Some veterinarians recommend measuring tear production prior to sulphonamide administration, and at various intervals after administration. Other veterinarians will simply avoid using sulphonamides, instead choosing another product effective against coccidia.

 

Left untreated, the infection may clear of its own accord, or in some cases may continue to ravage an animal and cause permanent damage or, occasionally, death.

 

 

[ch pied]

 

always wondered davie can pigeons catch cocci from rabbits ???

 

Yes they can sam , as i had this happen with my bird's in '83 , i brought a bird in from a fancier that had bucket load's of bunnie's runing his ground . my bird's started to drop like fly's . I knew it was cocci by the symtom's ,  i treated with sulmet , it diden't do the job , As I dident have time to mess about with stupid vet's or maff with their guessing game's , i consulted Queens uni , they identified a strain that is the norm to be found in rabbit's , and advised to use sulmet at doubble the norm dose , that cured the prob . the fancier where i got the bird , his also tested pos for the rabbit strain , but his bird's where in the pink .

 

nature is a strange thing , it will adopt & overcome

[sammy]

 

Yes they can sam , as i had this happen with my bird's in '83 , i brought a bird in from a fancier that had bucket load's of bunnie's runing his ground . my bird's started to drop like fly's . I knew it was cocci by the symtom's ,  i treated with sulmet , it diden't do the job , As I dident have time to mess about with stupid vet's or maff with their guessing game's , i consulted Queens uni , they identified a strain that is the norm to be found in rabbit's , and advised to use sulmet at doubble the norm dose , that cured the prob . the fancier where i got the bird , his also tested pos for the rabbit strain , but his bird's where in the pink .

 

nature is a strange thing , it will adopt & overcome

 

although its cocci dave what is the difference between the rabbits one and pigeons or are both the same

[holmsidelofts]

 

although its cocci dave what is the difference between the rabbits one and pigeons or are both the same

 

They are not transferable between different species i've had that confirmed many times by vets and theres plenty of literature to back this theory up. they are different strains. I could write out a full page of info on this topic from the many veterinary books i have, for what ever reason they are host specific. You dont find these strains crossing over to other species, that doesnt mean they cant but theres enough evidence to back this up.

 

Jas.

 

[ch pied]

 

although its cocci dave what is the difference between the rabbits one and pigeons or are both the same

Sam they are not the same , but they will survive in another host ie a pigeon , and when they get established and spirolatet through the cycle it is a nightmare . Another 1 that can get a hold is the form of cocci in goats .

 

nature is a strange thing

 

[Guest stb-]

vaccine for cocci not for me  

[sammy]

vaccine for cocci not for me   is  it not for the pigeons rab ;D ;D ;D ;D