jimmy white Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 hi pecked hen i wouldnt bathe the bird by hand , but if it would take a bath under its own steam by all means, i dont think he would take a bath if he was poorly , mind you if he did , it would be a sure sighn of improve ment,,,but to bathe it by hand, i think, would just put the bird through more stress, again wish you well jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckedhen Posted August 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Thanks Jimmy. I'll put the bath in and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe90 Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 hi peckedhen remember when you are using antibiotics it will make the birds droppings lose because it is killing the crap in its gut. It is inportant the carry out the full treatment and then a must that you jive a probiotic after and even during. I recomend u use gemthepax but its expensive, you can give that with the antibiotics so its putting a bit back at the same time. http://www.murrayandmills.co.uk/catalog/erol.html#1134x0&&http%3A%252F%252Fwww.google.co.uk%252Fsearch%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dgemthepax%26meta%3D As for cocci the the anti-biotics will sort that out as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckedhen Posted August 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Thanks Joe, I've found the Gem-thepax in a smaller bottle so it's not so expensive. I'll ring and order some on Monday. You've reassured me about the droppings, all the birds are loose now and I thought that they must have caught cocci from the infected one. The ill one took a bath and Jimmy tells me that he can't be too bad if he does that so, it looks as though he is improving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Doostalker Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Bruno, well done on your comprehensive answer. Totally agree with your comments about "This thread shows some of the problems rife in pigeons. In short, if you don't know what is wrong with your bird, don't treat blind" I may not have gone with your "bleedin dumplings" line though!! lol But know where you are coming from on it. I am always amazed at fanciers who will spend pounds on every "cure" and "improver" under the sun, but moan about the Fed and Club costs. Just the purchase of one good pigeon health book would be their best bet. As for what PeckedHen should do, I suggest follow Bruno's advice would be best. Use the vet when you need to, but shop around as (a) some have little or no experience in avian health, and ( they are private and charges vary hugely. But remember, Best Value doesn't always mean cheapest price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckedhen Posted August 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Decided to give them some pro-biotic yogurt today. They didn't like it and it took them ages to eat it. I put one teaspoon of yogurt in two teaspoons of pigeon mix was that right or should they have more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe90 Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 would be better getting gemsups, they have all the goodness a bird needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Not sure of your product or your mix pecked hen. Natural yoghurt is a plain (no added flavour) live yogurt. Whatever amount of grain your birds eat for a full day, put this into a bowl and use a dessert spoon to spoon in a good helping, and mix it up well, a bit like a sticky cake mix and spoon this into the feeder. Put what's left of the yogurt away in the fridge for the next day. The birds will look at it twice at the first serving but will soon gobble it up when they get the taste. Remember that this is live bacteria so be sure to give the feeder a good wipe over with a damp cloth after they've finished. Pleased your bird is responding. Over the moon myself with my broken winged young bird - as she is herself. She couldn't get off the floor at all on 20th July, wing drooping; Put in a box right away and her right wing was set and trussed up by vet on 25th July; bandages removed after 7 days - wing back up - then remained in box for '5' weeks until break healed. Released from box for the first time today 21st August and put on floor for a bath; flew up to my stool, down again 'wing floor exercises' - up on the perches etc - absolutely over the moon and all this for only £18! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckedhen Posted August 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Ok, so it's now had cocciod, baytrill and probioticsn Yesterday I noticed that it's legs are swollen and woke up this morning to find the three others have been pecking its head. I took it to ou,r supposedly, avian experienced vet who said that it has 'gone light' and needs worming! I now have two doses of worming med to give! Do worms cause swollen legs? I've read salmonellosis can but surely the baytril should have taken care of that? The vet said it wasn't in pain? :-/ :-/ Should I move this bird from the others? It's too late for it infecting them but, I don't want it canablising! Again advice appreciated. Who told me keeping pigeons was no problem? : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Sorry the bird has gone back, Peckedhen. Isolate it straight away for its own and the other's safety, not necessarily back in a box, but maybe in a section or the corridor on its own. Remember that it is not always straightforward to reintroduce a 'strange' bird into the section with the others - let them get used to one another through the section divisions first. I've never come accross anything on swollen legs anywhere before. Baytril should have killed all bacteria including salmonella and I would have expected a vet to pick up on paratyphoid right away so stop worrying. How do you know they're swollen - what are you seeing? Is it a joint, one leg or both legs? I know the feeling! You THINK there's something wrong so you start reading lots of things into what you see and half of it isn't real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckedhen Posted September 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Thanks Bruno. Well, its legs look swollen in comparison to the other birds!! Its sort of puffy around the ankles and I'm watching the ring doesn't get too tight. Maybe I am getting paranoid! I only have four pigeons so far, so a corridor is out of the question! ;D I have got a new loft now ( I think you'd laugh and call it a shed ) so I'll move the others in there and keep this one in the brick leanto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 yea peckedhen thats probably your best bet!!!!! all the best and i hope the bird pulls through paul carter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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