Younster being sick

[Ronnie]

Noticed a youngster today was looking a bit poorly.Sat on the roof all huddled up feeling sorry for himself when the rest where all getting a bath and driving round the garden.When i got them in i noticed he didnt eat any food so i have quarantined him.Just checked on him and noticed he still hasnt eaten but has vomited some small seed and the water with is like all dirty.I went into the main loft and noticed another youngster being sick so i immediately quarantined him as well.The thing is they all look the picture of health white wattles solid stools with a nice white tip.The feathering is good and apart from the first bird sitting all puffed up before he came in i cant see anything the matter with them.Any idea's?

 

[Guest]

24 HOUR FAST WITH THEM THEN ONTO A VERY LIGHT FEED MAINLY DAPURATIVE FEEDING ROUGHLY ABOUT ONE OUNCE ,WATCH FOR UNDIGESTED FOOD IN CROPS,GOOD LUCK

[Ronnie]

Thanks Sammy.

[Guest]

Not sure I'm reading your advice right Sammy. Ronnie has one YB off-colour and in quarantine. Surely only this bird that needs light diet as there is nothing wrong with rest of team? Agree keep an eye on others, make sure crops not holding grain overnight..

[Guest]

Not sure I'm reading your advice right Sammy. Ronnie has one YB off-colour and in quarantine. Surely only this bird that needs light diet as there is nothing wrong with rest of team? Agree keep an eye on others, make sure crops not holding grain overnight..

 

by the time he has seen the one or twom it running through the whole loftthey drink froma communal drinker not going to do any harm putting whole team on  light diet  

[Guest]

feed light and introduce cider vinegar in the water.make sure u have y/b sickness treatment at hand ,cos it seems ur gonna have to use it.

if u have a bird thats been showing illness u can almost bet that others have been some what infected in some way,they all drink out of the same drinker.

i would seek advice from a vet before it becomes a bigger problem in ur loft.even if its a fonecall ..its better then looking back and saying god y didnt i get in touch with the vet a few days back....paul

[Ronnie]

Thanks guy's.I'd allready taken the water out and added fresh with cider vinegar   ive allready cut the food down yesterday and today due to bad trapping i'm starting to wonder if it could be drinking from the gutter.Both the birds in quarantine dont look bad now and at first glance you would say they were in great condition.I just hope ive over reacted and all is well.I will give the vet a ring in the morning .I dont know anything about youngbird sickness other than what ive read here.What are the symptom's?.Could cocci be a cause of the symptoms i said above?Maybe stress.

I will keep ya posted anyway thanks for the advice guy's

[Guest]

id say its y/b sickness but dont worry its treatable,i dont think it will be cocci.

all the best in wotever it turns out to be....paul.

[Guest]

If they are drinking out of gutters they will be sick. Mine were until I blocked access to it with 1/2" wire mesh.

[phillips]

GIVE THEM SOME FRESH BEETROOT MATE CHOPPED INTO LITTLE BITS AS BIG AS MAIZE GOOD FOR THE IMMUNITY SYSTEM

[Guest]

If they are drinking out of gutters they will be sick. Mine were until I blocked access to it with 1/2" wire mesh.

 

and what methods did you use to get them over it then bruno enlighten us then we may know what to do if it comes chapping at our door then

[Guest]

 

and what methods did you use to get them over it then bruno enlighten us then we may know what to do if it comes chapping at our door then

 

Posted before that if a bird eats something 'that doesn't agree with it' and is sick, everything in the crop comes up with it, including any grain there.

 

Was faced with that last year. Was finding a few grains on the floor. No smell off them, in past have had one or two retain grain, when it comes up, smells of alcohol, probably yeast in crop causing grain to ferment. So definitely not YBS and nothing to panic over.

 

If I can identify the bird thats been sick, and I've seen it drink from somewhere it shouldn't have, like the gutter, I popped it in a box with as you've suggested before, a light pick, mainly seed, [i add grain as the bird's droppings form up] and either CAV or garlic in its drinking water  basically just to keep an eye on it and keep the rest of the birds safe.  

 

Last year, off-season I cleaned and meshed-off all my gutters, and cleaned all the moss off the loft roofs. Thats where my problem was coming from. Problem solved.

 

 

[Ronnie]

Update guy's . The two youngsters i quarantined are looking ok this morning but a few of my other birds have been sick through the night but are looking good and driving and pairing fine.The dropping are solid still and apart from the few grain's lying on the perch's you would say nothing is wrong .I wormed them about an hour after i fed them last night,  and am starting to think this may be the cause of the vomiting or maybe i'm hoping and clutching at straw's.I will let you know the outcome either way.

[Wiley]

should never worm them after feeding ronnie alot of worming products make the birds vomit

[stevebelbin]

I had the same thing abt a month back with two YBs, i think it was YB sickness, and put them onto Probiotics for a weeks then back onto Cider vinegar. They havent shown anymore signs of it, and are coming well off training etc

[stevie]

give them mycostatin for 3to 4 days good stuff

[jimmy white]

each y,b season we see an increase in desease involving the bacteria e,coli. e coli is a normal inhabitant of the digestive system of pigeons, it has desease potential, but usually needs a predisposing condition to allow  it the oppertunity to cause infection, several things can  "open the door"for e coli to cause desease,

stress ,vieal infections intestinal parasites, nd other irritantsin the bowel such as chemicals consumed while feilding , the usual factor of ybs is adenovirus, it beginsappearing when birds are mixed . either in training , races or when accumulating birdsfrom various sources

the adenovirus by itself will not cause desease, but in  the presence of e,coli, it allows the e,coli, to cause desease. treating e coli infection usually eliminates symtoms although it does nothing for the adenovirus infection, this is usually conquered by the birds own immunity system with time, there is not an effective vaccine for adenovirus. so we must let it run its course as we try to control the e coli. during outbreaks

usually during outbreaks ofe coli infection ,, we use a broad spectrum antibiotic such as amoxicillin to control it ,,,,antibiotics will not prevent it so only to be used during an out break, the symtoms usually include vomiting in some birds , abnormal droppings or loosedropings and lethargy

the birds will not train or race well during uncontrolled outbreak, a feacal culture and sensitivity study will allow one to use the correctantibioticto use, often we just go with one that has a good track record ,,and that has little or no effect on the birds allowing one to continue training etc,

amoxicillin is my first choice of anti biotic when" shooting from the hip" it is gentle on the pigeon and is the least expensive of the good antibiotics use 3 grams per gallon for about 7 days , re- treatment is often necesssary as things may deteriorate within weeks after training , as the viral infection spreads through the flock, do not forget not to use antibiotics as a preventative, they will not work as a preventative but will only allow the bacteria to become resistant to it ,,then it wont work when we really need it ,,,,,,dr david e. marx    d.v.m,,, by doc white m,a,d, ;D ;D ;D,, seriously maybe of some help to fanciers as yb racing starts  

[rossi]

you all must av heard of the old saying feed a cold and starve a fever...the fast way to rid ybs is to reboot the pigeons digestive system...48 hours starve with electrolites oin water or beter still bicarb of soda..the stuff we use when ill with bad guts.....provided the droppings are ok..if slimy then they have picked up a secondary infection..probably ecoli, so an antibiotic maybe needed then...if you catch it early in the lethargic flying stage and crop retentrion the bicarb will suffice....once 48 hours up start with a light diet coated in natural yoguart from local supermarket....and build them back up slowly....they should be flyiong with vigour in a week...|Although siome appear ok and full of beans it would be wise to fas t them all..as it wont hurt...it will rid their systems of any impurities. please keep your birds loft bound during their fasting and rebuild till everything is back to normal....this is the practice i have followed for last 10 years and it has worked everytime

[Ronnie]

Just an update guy's.

All the birds are fine now and have scored in the last two race's.

3 in the top ten from swainswick and look's like i got 3rd or fourth this week from the same place(couldve got another 4 in the top ten but thought i was behind so didnt clock the rest).All thanks to everyone who replied and helped me .

[Yoeri]

A couple of months ago I was in Houten on the pigeon show.

 

They convinced me to use birdy-health in combination with birdy-sil plus.

It was really new on the market. The products prevent young bird sickness and tricho drastically. I have to say I am really satisfied from the products. My youngsters did never train that well.  They told me birdy-health and birdy-loft spray is working well against adeno, tricho and coli.

 

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