neck problems

[traynor]

a couple of my birds have a bit of a problem with there necks. there heads arnt twisting around or anything its just as if they have something coming up there throat and there neck it going from side to side not to sure wot this is if its para or what, they are also feeding youngsters so dont know if it is food there bringing up. all the birds droppings seem fine and all the birds are perky enough. can anyone tell me what this is.

 

[Guest IB]

Don't think you have anything to worry about.    Just a guess, but reckon what you are seeing is the natural action of the crop moving food down to the next 'bit' of the gut, the 'stomach'?

 

I do not know exactly where the 'stomach' and gizzard lie, but its a backwards and forwards action for the grain between them. If they lie below the crop (rather than behind it) this may also be related to what you are seeing. Quite a common sight.

[traynor]

thanks very much. also ive seen one or two of the youngsters kicking there legs back is this aything i should worry about.

[ChrisMaidment08]

are the then looking at there legs or as if ther is irratetion

[traynor]

they dont doit in the loft only when they land after flight also the have just started molting

[ChrisMaidment08]

i had birds shaking legs after flight then started in loft  one of the signs of paratyphoid do the snand on one leg a lot or swap legs  joints ache

[traynor]

they do stand on one leg when perched but havent noticed if they change. can i do anything to prevent paratyphoid.

[traynor]

they do stand on one leg when perched but havent noticed if they change. can i do anything to prevent paratyphoid.

[ChrisMaidment08]

im not saying it is and would not give you ways to treat it may be over dose of treatment or justt weak muscel as they use them to hold legs in flight

[traynor]

i dont give birds anytreatment unless i know they have something. i will keep a eye on them anyway and see if they stop doing it. thanks very much anyway, very much appreciated.

[DOVEScot]

thanks very much. also ive seen one or two of the youngsters kicking there legs back is this aything i should worry about.

 

Check for mites :-/

[traynor]

i had a quick look there but didnt notice anything. is there any way of telling for sure, because i no there is a mite that goes under the scales so should there be bumps or anything. also i have that one drop stuff would that rid them if they do have them.

[traynor]

i had a quick look there but didnt notice anything. is there any way of telling for sure, because i no there is a mite that goes under the scales so should there be bumps or anything. also i have that one drop stuff would that rid them if they do have them.

[Guest IB]

 

You say 'all the birds droppings seem fine and all the birds are perky enough' so I'd say that rules out anything wrong with them, illness-wise.

 

I've had an odd bird 'kick and stamp' which I think might be down to a daytime-only 'biting'  insect, possibly below skin level? but I don't honestly know for sure. Its very distinctive behaviour: kick each foot backwards, hop quickly from foot to foot (dancing) peck at right side of vent area, then left side of vent area, under each wing and preen gland area, almost as if they don't know what is annoying them, or where?

 

There's at least 3 things I reckon it could be down to: a mite(s) a midge(s) or quill mite (in the quill, below skin level, have a 'needle' for a mouth which they push through quill wall into the deeper layers of the skin. Must feel a bit like us getting a skelf under the finger nail).

 

I used ivermectin drops for 'it' on one of my youngsters month or so back; took 3/4 applications over 7/10 days before it disappeared.

 

 

[DOVEScot]

i had a quick look there but didnt notice anything. is there any way of telling for sure, because i no there is a mite that goes under the scales so should there be bumps or anything. also i have that one drop stuff would that rid them if they do have them.

 

The one spot Ivermectin Drops 0.8% 10ml that we have gets rid of feather lice and mites, Luckily we have never had mites, also we use garlic in the baths, heather and lavender in the nests and duramitex on the perches

I have also heard a beer mat soaked in creosote left to dry and place under nest bowls works as well

 

Feather mite sits on the feather and causes a lot of irritatin they are easily seen on the feathers

Itch mites burrow inth the feather shaft causing them to fall out, you will notice small pale spots on the underside of the feathers

Red mite hang about on underside of perches and dark corners, they come out at night and feed on the birds blood

[traynor]

what you described by the younster stamp and run its beak down both wings is what they do as if there is somthing on them thats irritating them then start to preen. thanks very much you have been very helpful. josh

[traynor]

i use tea tree on the loft floor once in a while as all insects/lice/mite do not like it it is very strong (my mother is an aromatherapist) it is also 200 times stronger than carbolic soap, i have always used it when a bird has had a cut because it kills any infection in a wound it also kills the superbug in hospitals, but the hospitals are not allowed to use on patients as it is an altenative medacine(just thought id mention this), it all so kills any airbourne virus' and does not seem to bother the birds. i never had lice or mites while using this but havent used it in a while so they mave have picked up the parasites from somewhere during this time. its cheap aswell and you can get it almost any where, just thought id let you know because i have never heard of any other fancier using this.

[DOVEScot]

i use tea tree on the loft floor once in a while as all insects/lice/mite do not like it it is very strong (my mother is an aromatherapist) it is also 200 times stronger than carbolic soap, i have always used it when a bird has had a cut because it kills any infection in a wound it also kills the superbug in hospitals, but the hospitals are not allowed to use on patients as it is an altenative medacine(just thought id mention this), it all so kills any airbourne virus' and does not seem to bother the birds. i never had lice or mites while using this but havent used it in a while so they mave have picked up the parasites from somewhere during this time. its cheap aswell and you can get it almost any where, just thought id let you know because i have never heard of any other fancier using this.

 

With your mother being an aromatherapist does she get the pure essential oils that you can't buy in the shops or does that work as well :-/

[traynor]

not to sure where she gets them, but know that you can get the tea tree oil in holland and barretts.

[traynor]

also forgot to mention, if a pigeon has a cut do not apply pure oil to wound, mix two or three drops in about 50 ml of luke warm water and dab wound with a cotton wool bud dipped in solution. i also use it for scrubbing loft floor put about 15 drops in a bucket of hot water, i also clean all v perches in this aswell. obviously do not clean feeders etc in it.