andrecrock Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 A friend keeps jannsens.....comes of the old (spelling) "Grooter" lines.Realy yellow.will try and get pics up later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraftykev Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 www.spencroftlofts.co.uk I breed yellow kirkpatricks and yellow kirkpatricks with a dash of jan aarden. One of my yellow kirkpatrick/jan aardens flew in the 2009 rpra one loft race. She didnt win bless her but flew in every race including the big final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beautyhomer Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 A yellow is a dilute red. The only difference between a dilute bird and a non dilute bird is the amount of pigment in the colour, a dilute having around half the pigment of a non dilute so I can't see why they should'nt be as good as any non dilute bird. True silvers are dilute blue. Dun is dilute black. The silvers the racing fanciers know are dilute brown ( I think!). If you want to breed yellows you must first get a dilute bird or a bird that carries dilute and breed it with another. Some birds carry dilute as you need two doses for it to show and if they have been bred from a non dilute/dilute pair they will only have one dose and therefore will be non dilute but carry it. I think the faults old yellow is talking about must have come about with line breeding to get the dilute factor. Best not to over do the in/line breeding in any animals. So just get yourself a bird or better still two (quicker) that carries the dilute factor and bobs your uncle. I have yellow tumblers and have bred youngsters from them with no problems what so ever. Have fun! (smarty2) Dilute is a sex linked recessive colour modifying gene.As such it is only cocks that need two dilute genes to be dilute.If they only have one then they will be carriers.Hens can only have one dilute gene so they are either dilute or not they cannot be carriers. In old yellows case where yellows paired together bred pieds it would have nothing to do with the dilute genes present.They must both be carrying recessive pied genes which became apparent when paired together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve56 Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 i got a red van reet cock from louella with pedigree paired it to dark van reet hen i got 2 yellow hens and 2 red cocks from them lost 1 cock racing disposed of 1yellow and 1 red ybs, other yellow hen has raced 2 seasons and is down on eggs now paired to a red van reet cock, do not want any young birds from them, will never buy any more birds from louella cost me £50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 i got a red van reet cock from louella with pedigree paired it to dark van reet hen i got 2 yellow hens and 2 red cocks from them lost 1 cock racing disposed of 1yellow and 1 red ybs, other yellow hen has raced 2 seasons and is down on eggs now paired to a red van reet cock, do not want any young birds from them, will never buy any more birds from louella cost me £50 If the red cock was yellow it would have been called a kirkpatrick! :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig05 Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 i have a few yellows, one silver cock a brother to one of Dave Barkels fed winners and favourite for Bourges last year, which has just bred a yellow youngster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.R.H. Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Does anybody know how to contact the lad in Lahore in Fife that makes crates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 i have a few yellows, one silver cock a brother to one of Dave Barkels fed winners and favourite for Bourges last year, which has just bred a yellow youngster. he is nice craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cowboy Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 this is my yellow kirkpatrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deb Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 A yellow is a dilute red. The only difference between a dilute bird and a non dilute bird is the amount of pigment in the colour, a dilute having around half the pigment of a non dilute so I can't see why they should'nt be as good as any non dilute bird. True silvers are dilute blue. Dun is dilute black. The silvers the racing fanciers know are dilute brown ( I think!). If you want to breed yellows you must first get a dilute bird or a bird that carries dilute and breed it with another. Some birds carry dilute as you need two doses for it to show and if they have been bred from a non dilute/dilute pair they will only have one dose and therefore will be non dilute but carry it. I think the faults old yellow is talking about must have come about with line breeding to get the dilute factor. Best not to over do the in/line breeding in any animals. So just get yourself a bird or better still two (quicker) that carries the dilute factor and bobs your uncle. I have yellow tumblers and have bred youngsters from them with no problems what so ever. Have fun! (smarty2) But only the cock bird can carry dilute (pale gene)The hen cannot. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 But only the cock bird can carry dilute (pale gene)The hen cannot. Deb true unless the hen is dilute herself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen101 Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 so if you paired 2 yellows would you get yellows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deb Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 true unless the hen is dilute herself! And if the cock bird was dilute as well,you wouldn't need a ash red to carry pale,you would be tripping over young yellows. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 And if the cock bird was dilute as well,you wouldn't need a ash red to carry pale,you would be tripping over young yellows. Deb Yes, but the problem people have is breeding dilute cocks which is why you need a carrier cock to pair to a dliute hen to produce a % of cocks. Once you have a dilute cock it will breed dilutes with anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grizzler Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 so if you paired 2 yellows would you get yellows yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deb Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Yes, but the problem people have is breeding dilute cocks which is why you need a carrier cock to pair to a dliute hen to produce a % of cocks. Once you have a dilute cock it will breed dilutes with anything. Yes that's correct.But if you have an ash cock that carries dilute,any yellows he produces will always be hens.Then the following season mate father to daughter to breed yellow cocks and yellow hens. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beautyhomer Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 But only the cock bird can carry dilute (pale gene)The hen cannot. Deb Dilute and pale are two different genes but they are alleles.Pale is dominant over dilute.There is also an extreme dilute gene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beautyhomer Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Yes that's correct.But if you have an ash cock that carries dilute,any yellows he produces will always be hens.Then the following season mate father to daughter to breed yellow cocks and yellow hens. Deb This is only true if he is paired to a non dilute hen.If he is paired to a dilute hen then you will get dilutes in both sexes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig05 Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 one of the youngsters off the silver cock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Does anybody know how to contact the lad in Lahore in Fife that makes crates FRANK DOOMAN ON HERE HAS 10 TOP QUALITY CRATES FOR SALE AT THE MOMENT :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig05 Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 The silver cock from Davey Barkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen101 Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 nice birds craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig05 Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Last one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deb Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 This is only true if he is paired to a non dilute hen.If he is paired to a dilute hen then you will get dilutes in both sexes. Put your glasses on beauty home and read my answer.If you had a dilute hen to start with,you would hardly need to pair any daughters back to the cock.You would simply carry on breeding from the same pair to achieve the numbers you require. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beautyhomer Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 think you need the glasses mrs Marsden,you cannot even get my name right.See you are as rude as your husband on another site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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