why do people never report

[DUBLINFLYER]

lost a cock in june  2006. he has 2 x 1st prizes 1 from talbenny 124 miles an 1 from  sennon cove 224miles, both channel races to me as i live in Ireland lost him down the land in a very tough race, WE GOT HIM BACK ON SATURDAY MORNING in good condition. my question is this ..... why the hell do people not report birds anymore? he's gone almost 2 years now an nobody even thought of contacting me!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Lennut Tar]

lost a cock in june  2006. he has 2 x 1st prizes 1 from talbenny 124 miles an 1 from  sennon cove 224miles, both channel races to me as i live in Ireland lost him down the land in a very tough race, WE GOT HIM BACK ON SATURDAY MORNING in good condition. my question is this ..... why the hell do people not report birds anymore? he's gone almost 2 years now an nobody even thought of contacting me!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > >

 

DublinFlyer !!!!!!! just perhapes now ??????? he may have been like our little mate here "IVU,s" pigeon & has been living wild for all that time, but then decided in his wisdom   ;) to come home etc.

Enjoy.

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

lost a cock in june  2006. he has 2 x 1st prizes 1 from talbenny 124 miles an 1 from  sennon cove 224miles, both channel races to me as i live in Ireland lost him down the land in a very tough race, WE GOT HIM BACK ON SATURDAY MORNING in good condition. my question is this ..... why the hell do people not report birds anymore? he's gone almost 2 years now an nobody even thought of contacting me!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > >

 

from what iv'e have seen there various reasons why birds are not reported;if you call it though to the owner he will not want it back[£30.00 for a bird that got lost for any reason, remember "its bred from a first fed mate"or "both its parents are directs and i got a few, do you want it" or sometimes guys will think "thats a nice one i will try a few off that" then when they bred a few, they try to break it [hoping if it works then report, hoping the owner will not want it back after that amount of time]after two years i would suspect some one tried a few then let it up sorry

[Castleview]

One thing that bugs me about this and I would never do it. If a bird drops on my shed and comes in with the crowd, just from exhaustion, he is a 'Stray'. I would never breed from a stray because 90% of the time strays breed STRAYS.

 

If people think "I'll breed a couple of that, he looks good" then expect the youngsters to fail because he dropped on someones loft. Exhaustion can be partly blamed on management around the loft because the bird wasn't prepared for the long flight. For heavens sake, never breed or accept a stray into your loft! As soon as you've caught it, put it in a basket away from your colony. If you have a 'Hospital Hutch' put him in there until collection, because for the love of almighty god he might be carrying an INFECTION or DISEASE. Pigeons that return home are in tip top condition or near enough, those that drop most likely have something up with them, whether it be the wrong preperation for the race, cocci, worms or even paramyxo.

 

These are just my thoughts of course. But when you have reported him and the owner says 'You can keep him' get a ring transfer because then the bird is then yours to do what ever you wish. If it was just exhaustion then help the bird back, but if he is ill you can give hi medication and then say "I'll breed some of him" because then the ring is in your name and break it when it's on the nest, use nature to the advantage. Or you could just bin it.

 

I used to let strays into my loft back in 96, and kept them their until the owner contacted me. Guess what, he said "Keep It". And low and behold I had problems with the pigeons. That was my mistake, and never again will I make it.

[Guest chrisss]

One thing that bugs me about this and I would never do it. If a bird drops on my shed and comes in with the crowd, just from exhaustion, he is a 'Stray'. I would never breed from a stray because 90% of the time strays breed STRAYS.

 

If people think "I'll breed a couple of that, he looks good" then expect the youngsters to fail because he dropped on someones loft. Exhaustion can be partly blamed on management around the loft because the bird wasn't prepared for the long flight. For heavens sake, never breed or accept a stray into your loft! As soon as you've caught it, put it in a basket away from your colony. If you have a 'Hospital Hutch' put him in there until collection, because for the love of almighty god he might be carrying an INFECTION or DISEASE. Pigeons that return home are in tip top condition or near enough, those that drop most likely have something up with them, whether it be the wrong preperation for the race, cocci, worms or even paramyxo.

 

These are just my thoughts of course. But when you have reported him and the owner says 'You can keep him' get a ring transfer because then the bird is then yours to do what ever you wish. If it was just exhaustion then help the bird back, but if he is ill you can give hi medication and then say "I'll breed some of him" because then the ring is in your name and break it when it's on the nest, use nature to the advantage. Or you could just bin it.

 

I used to let strays into my loft back in 96, and kept them their until the owner contacted me. Guess what, he said "Keep It". And low and behold I had problems with the pigeons. That was my mistake, and never again will I make it.

 

for whats it is worth, i agree with all of the above strays a nuisance, but a sad fact of life. iv'e never bred from one [apart from the moral aspect whats the point, you have no idea what the parents have done /never mind who the parents are

[pjc]

I agree with the above!

The other problem is that with foreign birds finders realy don't want the hassle with trying to get the bird back to its own country if the owner wants it!

I was with one of my members at the weekend, a friend of his in Wales had an irish stray come in, he reported it and the owner said whatever you do please keep it in and i'll get it picked up, he rang back to arrange for a friend to collect, the bird was left in a box and not collected, after another phone call another day was arranged and again the bird wasn't collected! The finder rang him and told him he wasn't prepared to be messed about any more and chucked the bird out down the road.

Its cases like this that stop people reporting birds!

 

Phil

[gangster]

ive just reported 1 from cumbria came in perfect nick no rubbers ect.....owner contacted me he has been missing 2 years..?????

[pjc]

gangster, the owner prob thinks you've had it for 2yrs and been breeding from it!

[S.D.B LOFTS]

Hi i picked up a stray last season from my local shopping centre contacted

owner told me i could keep it . bred from it this year had one youngster .

Had a phone call last week the youngster was reported a couple miles up

the road .I wonder if its pass on in the genes ?

[gangster]

to be honest i got a stray off another kid in 1982 she was still squeeking..a beauty blue hen...i reported her she was  from lower gornal dudley lister bros..well to cut short the story  the cock i had her 2 died so i gave her 2 my mate ..........well she bred for him over 200 +prize winners including cocks with multi 1st prize wins.. so the moral is not all strays are rubbish.....and i can pass on the guys number if anyone doubts me.......ps  pjc  to be honest he was surprised as the cock flew well for him..i think hes has been elsewere breeding he is in tiptop nick

[Merlin]

In most cases I dont have a problem reporting any bird that has a contact no,its birds that have to be kept in and housed for 14 days and are your responsibility now that I have a problem with,yet this is what your Union requires you to do,goes to show how out of touch they are with reality.

[pjc]

gangster the bird clearly has been in and the owner will know that when/if he has it back. My point was will he beleive that its not you that has kept it locked in for breeding?

 

Phil

[gangster]

yes correct id also think the same...

[pjc]

which is prob why the person who has had it didn't report it and threw it out when he finished with it or it escaped!

Many years ago I brought a cock from a clearance sale, he was only a yearling, broke him out after i'd got a couple a rounds of youngsters, he stayed and I decided to put him on the road. He was training well then made a mistake and ended up back at his original loft. The loft was still there and the guys son rang me to say the bird had returned and his son liked it, could he keep it.

I had told him to train it up and see what happened, he lived next door to the original loft. I was told that the bird was flying well etc etc, two years latter I was stood in the garden and a bird hit the loft roof, i instantly knew what the bird was, opened the traps and he was straight in.

I still don't beleive to this day that the bird was allowed out, even though he was broken to me he clearly had bonded to me and my loft!

 

Phil

[Castleview]

Hi i picked up a stray last season from my local shopping centre contacted

owner told me i could keep it . bred from it this year had one youngster .

Had a phone call last week the youngster was reported a couple miles up

the road .I wonder if its pass on in the genes ?

 

Strays breed strays!

[Guest chrisss]

 

Strays breed strays!

 

sorry mate not always, it has never happened to me but the world is full of stories about strays turning out to be good after one mistake[altough how much would you trust one] it might bugger off home after a year take some of your yb with it ;D ;D ;D

[gangster]

i disagree....

[Guest chrisss]

i disagree....

 

with what part ;D ;D ;D ;D

[gangster]

i disagree....see my previous posting i can supply proof...the guys 1 of the best flyers in the lancs combine

 

 

[gangster]

with strays breed strays

[Guest chrisss]

with strays breed strays

 

i think every bird deserves a second chance regardless of age but thats all i would think

[gangster]

true and i do think the good strays are few and far between...

[gangster]

here is 2 examples of good strays....1  joop groenen got a belg stray in belonged to the bros janssen bred him countless winners......2...ludo classens  got a white grizzle in bred countless winners now residing state side with mike ganus breeding winners.....so they aint all bad....

[DUBLINFLYER]

the bird picked up a serious injury(broke his keel) he went down unfortunately but he was certainly in with out a doubt he came back clappin an full of beans(dont mean food just full of life ;D ;D ;D) in anyway as far as im concerned someone saw his potential an maybe took around of him who knows!!! just wish he tried to make contact with me as i certainly would of gave him just reward.... but he didnt an i have NO RESPECT FOR ANYONE WHO KEEP THESE PIGEONS without reporting them they are the property of the registered owner > but hey i'm delited he's back woz a top racer in his day  ;D

[Guest chrisss]

I have always allowed my young birds a three strike routine, once i am putting a third strike next to them they are removed from the team but its common in an area with a lot of pigeons in the sky for accidents to happen and also for the odd clash resulting in birds being lost.

 

The birds make mistakes but its rare to find a bird that makes more mistakes than the owners - for the last three years i have had a mirror in my corn shed this is the first point of call when something is not going right.

 

i nicked an idea i saw in a book, and put plastic marker rings on my yb [the ones who spend a night out get a black ring [max2 but touch wood havn't had one yet ;D ;D]i do agree with clashing, in my area not famous for a huge amount of lofts we have 3 [including mine] so birds are always getting mixed up, and with one of them "famous" for the "removal" of strays, most birds that go down cannot make a second mistake :'( :'( :'( :'(