OLDYELLOW Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 well the chocolate in the VDB are a recessive red, but dominant red in the VDB who knows but it is possible if there were dark bronzes which in turn carry a dominant red gene but as stated there Van Den Bosch based perhaps a dash of Jansen and bobs your aunts brother
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 the chocolate VDB are a recessive red gene, not normal reds, normal reds cannot be produced from them, i do not care what louella pigeon world have stated, they are wrong and if they have any question in this, they can talk to my son 07989 746150. karel meuleman and aadrian wouters never had red factor pigeons, ask karel Meuleman yourself if you have any questions as he knew Jos Van Den Bosche, take a look at herman Beverdams site, not one red factor pigeon, he will inform you the same as i have, louella are wrong. They maybe VDB based and i am bot saying anything wrong with the 6 youngsters as they look lovely, but there is something else crossed into them at some stage to get the red or mealy pigeons. you will find i am telling you the truth.. and pure meulemans or Vanden bosche do not have red or mealys. sorry guys but they are not pure VDB , but lovely babies nether the less. oh happy days
OLDYELLOW Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 THERE WILL BE 6 YBS FORSALE THE SECOND WEEK OF APRIL PIGEONS ARE VAN DEN BOSCH BASED YBS AND WILL BE BRED BY MICK WILLIS OF DERBY FROM HIS STOCK PIGEONS FANTASTIC PIGEONS FANTASTIC FLYER IVE ALREADY HAD 10 YBS MYSELF THIS YEAR FROM MICK THE ASKING PRICE FOR THE YBS WILL BE ONE HUNDERED AND FIFTY POUNDS THATS ONLY TWENTY FIVE POUND PER YOUNGSTER THANKYOU JASON PM IF INTERESTED Clearly states VDB based never said pure
phillips Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Posted March 10, 2009 the chocolate VDB are a recessive red gene, not normal reds, normal reds cannot be produced from them, i do not care what louella pigeon world have stated, they are wrong and if they have any question in this, they can talk to my son 07989 746150. karel meuleman and aadrian wouters never had red factor pigeons, ask karel Meuleman yourself if you have any questions as he knew Jos Van Den Bosche, take a look at herman Beverdams site, not one red factor pigeon, he will inform you the same as i have, louella are wrong. They maybe VDB based and i am bot saying anything wrong with the 6 youngsters as they look lovely, but there is something else crossed into them at some stage to get the red or mealy pigeons. you will find i am telling you the truth.. and pure meulemans or Vanden bosche do not have red or mealys. sorry guys but they are not pure VDB , but lovely babies nether the less. oh happy days may i get one thing straight here mate not once did i staight or write in the post they are pure vandenbosch pigeons i put down what mick willis asked vanden bosch based pigeons jason
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 i know what you said, thats why i reiterated van den bosche based, i asked where the red colour comes from, and i have just spoken to mark masserella and he agreed with me, no red or mealy pigeons, must have something else in them, so all i want to know is what have these been crossed with jason... where does the red factor come from . so you will find i am right on VDB do not carry this colour when pure only... not based. they are lovely babies, just asked a question mate !! no hard feelings oh happy days
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 i see you took your quote off old yellow, because your wrong old yellow,its rellevant to the debate.. so put it back on. old yellow yourrrr wrong.... lol ;D ;D ;D ;D
OLDYELLOW Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 never taken anything off and what is wrong ? i know theres no reds other than chocolates put enough of them in a bin to know that , but as Phillip stated VDB based they could have 100 other breeds in them and still state the main base is VDB
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dcan the moderator in scarborough put his post back on...... why did you remove it, you are wrong and try to make out you know, my son is a very authorative person and enthusiast on the VAN DEN BOSCHE so do not try to tell me i am wrong, about time your post returned. BACK TRACKING OLD YELLOW..... oh dear i saw it and good job i printed it off ;D oh happy days ;D ;D ;D
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 well the chocolate in the VDB are a recessive red, but dominant red in the VDB who knows but it is possible if there were dark bronzes which in turn carry a dominant red gene but as stated there Van Den Bosch based perhaps a dash of Jansen and bobs your aunts brother this is foolish talk.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
OLDYELLOW Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 joe go use your back button copy and paste my Alleged post and paste it back to the thread because i have not removed any posts this morning or recently
OLDYELLOW Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 you have printed nothing off joe other than posts i have on here
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 you have printed nothing off joe other than posts i have on here exactly,
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 old yellow my apologies. it was jason who posted, please forgive me i was wrong it was not you who posted the louella post, i stand corrected on the post thing, but not on vdb. come on jason... i phoned louella... and .... who is wrong.... oh happy days
phillips Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Posted March 10, 2009 i see where your coming from joe but like i stated i never said these birds was pure you posted saying you have never seen a red or mealy vdb pigeon all i said was they where vdb based pigeons which is not a lie red im wrong on that i appoligise but come on where did you see the word pure to bring this up in the first place jason
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 i see where your coming from joe but like i stated i never said these birds was pure you posted saying you have never seen a red or mealy vdb pigeon all i said was they where vdb based pigeons which is not a lie red im wrong on that i appoligise but come on where did you see the word pure to bring this up in the first place jason i never saw the word pure, i asked if these were VDB , then Whatelse is in them as they are VDB based, i agree they are based, and apology accepted with the red issue. so i not disagree they are based VDB but asked what else in them... read my original 2 posts, the first 2. oh happy VDB days
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 can you tell me if these are van den bosche ???? oh happy days the first one !!!
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 actually old yellow.. When did there ever appear to be reds or mealys in the van den bosche pigeons.... there were never any !! so as they are VDB based what else is in them, and by just looking at them they can be seen as not pure van den bosche.. oh happy days the second one !!
phillips Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Posted March 10, 2009 what i really cant understand here joe is you asked if they where vdb why ? it clearly states vdb based youngsters if they where vdb it would have said so wouldnt you agree happy days vdb based days ;D ;D ;D
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 yes possibly, you stated vdb based, so as thats clear ..what else is in them please... just asked, dont worry mate forget the question, they are nice babies, oh happy based vdb days also your post as you pasted it looks as though timbarra lofts have bought birds from louella pigeon world, this is not the case and we have never bought a louella bird . this was not intentional on your part jason i know, it just pasted that way.. cheers
Guest Thunder Birds Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 The original 'recessive red' was the chocolate hen mother of the Oude Van Den Bosch and the original Meulemans / Wouters lines indeed had no reds. However if birds had been obtained from Karel Meulemans over the last 20 years there could indeed be red pigeons 'Rode Bolleck' etc, they could also be found in the Klessnes De Lepper Meulemans. This is down to Karel Meulemans concentrating on the distance from the early 80's onwards and bringing other lines in. See Frank and August Daelemans website http://www.pigeonsport.com/catalogue.html for examples of this type of bird. Look very similar to the reds.
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