ace try looking on rolands website or look at the results birds sutch as wizard of win 17x1st..superkweker11/12..4x1st ..5x1st kline jos 12x1st.oude gryzen 19x1st and there are plenty more witte-plek 5x1st .ch vechter ect ect...the list goes on and on!!!....maybe the colour does not suit but it dont stop them winning...