hi all u lads thanks for all your coments and humour but me i am in no rush for birds as for medication use what nature provides when i was racing years ago we all had soot patches in our gardens and we all knew bout garlic and tcp and e few more bits and bobs i swear by the basket and sending time just watching them bout the loft i had a red cock bird that flew his guts out one season changed his hen the next season did nothing so i put him back with his and he won and won till a f..... hawk got him i am from benwell but now live in northampton