hi mr burgess just to let u know that i tried what you suggested and the air in them seemed to go away, they had two training spins, but sent 11 today (saturday) IT IS 72 MILES LIBERATED at 8 oclock my first bird timed at 9.35 i had 4 by 10 oclock left the loft at 11 oclock and had only 6, out of the missing 2 was there first race and 3 with the air in the crop and 2 of them had 2 race before perhaps i should not have sent them but its a lesson learned and u never know they could make their way back, anyway thanks for the advice at least it did get rid of it