i had to cut the ring the of this cock last week it was so tight i could not even turn it i tried cutters but could not get the bottom bit between the ring and the leg so the only way was to cut the plastic with a junior hack saw then cut threw the ali with the cutters that way what i was cutting was thinner found it was easyer that way with out damaging the leg the pigeon is the strawberry mealy in the front of the picture and as you can see he is a big pigeon from the pouws bros which are known for there thick legs