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funny parkys in partnership with a pigeon forum :X :X :X :X :X

told him you have NPAS email for grahamgiddings he can send him a breeder list yas dafty will be putting you forward fer ets understudy

that pencil pieds a girrafe hybrid ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

aye be up that way soon so ill pop up next time if not going out fer ma dinner ;-)

i brought the warmest day after i left thought id leave a bit of sunshine behind dint see much worth bring back

the more the merrier

i was on about yer doos not yas doughnuts

it is a welcoming site just not many fancy pigeon keepers that keep giant runts kirky be on later , ill get him to pm you grahams email hes the npa secatary

no wonder yas dont put any pictures up ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)

how true a ugly pigeon with a few 1sts is a beauty and i had a 2 x 1st fed cock aptly named ugly

aye all inclusive think they'll be bust shortly ;D ;D ;D :D

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yup join R.P.R.A as a member and pay your union fees and get rings at same time

good to be back

intresting statement because i find that most fanciers favour a certain race point because they never seem not to hit it , and i put this down to type of birds that they select so if same size ectra there usualy of similar abilitys with the odd randomisation i prefer medium to small birds as big birds need more work and are harder to keep fit

i agree that all winners come in all shapes and sizes and same again varibles in weather conditions and wind and distance to add to the mix , indeed one of my birds from the past was always front heavy before winning hardly a ballanced bird when he was at his best but when at home end totaly ballanced

im agreeing with you it takes alsorts of factors to building a pigeon , but i would say because nature is more random than most would like to think , we are trying to breed for speed or endurance , but nature is breeding for survival so nature determines that each bird need a great constitution in order to survive get that right then your halfway there , then you need good management and a good system then your away

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pairing full brother full sister together can be ok and produce winners some may be breeders of winners , however there also can be deformaties like webbed feet ectra and spade legs , the more closely inbred they are the more likely chance they are of been unviable as simply wont hatch or dont survive or have these physical trates due to the lack of good genes or overload of faulty mutated genes

well lets also take a tomatoe bush each fruit although from the same tree can taste different some more watery some prone to infections some sweeter some bitter but same bush produced them all so alot of factors go in to the gene pool its getting the right ones together , so adding more tomotoe genes to the gene pool can still produce a variety of tastes / blends as did there parents

a baby boy cant kick a ball when born ? he cant even crawl or stand new born his genes hes been given by his parents determine that in nature there is no room for derormaty so weak / disabled birds get naturaly suppressed , but nature is a battle of survival , lets take a good footballer great fitness ectra but there just as likely to have a disabled child i can think of this senario without adding names , so your saying were all born to kick a man made object ? i suppose we all could actualy kick it but to control it and be able to be in good control takes skills which are learned , so we could take 2 boys in a race for instance one with head lice one with none who would win the race ? it wouldnt be a factor in the boy winning having head lice but it would be down to determination and applying themself into doing what they want to do , even if both applied themselves one would expect a result of a win or a draw or outright win , look at this dancing on ice non ice skaters as not intrested give them some tv time and money , there good skaters some could be proffesional

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the good footballers utilised and learned there skills give a football to several animals in a zoo some will play with it say a seal / dolphin and can be trained to shoot hoops , but they werent born with these skill but taught them a lion would punture and rip his ball but that already set in his nature , i see a pigeons gene pool like this imagine each bird like a bowl of soup they all have different tastes some bitter some sweet some tart some zesty some salty , right all these different blends of soup ( genes ) can produce winners but its getting the ballance right in your blends or you get more breeder if family too inbred then you need a cross but finding pigeons that compliment the existing birds

just as the bird dint have a marvelous pedigree doesnt make it a bad pigeon , just because the flyer hadnt won a race also doesnt make his birds bad im sure most buy from winners in order to breed winners im sure if shown the way he could easily win , no doubt he has good birds but not the management or system that suits them but then again he may get his pleasure from been with them and homing rather than racing

just because the parents had no intrest in soccer doesnt mean they were bad footballers , it's just they dint wish to utilise or gain skills in that area but a valid point just because two champion pigeons are paired together they can easily breed as many doughnuts as there like