Stock pigeons should be breeding good pigeons, after all that is why they are supposedly in the stock loft for, when I hear of people keeping 24 pair, 30 pair etc I know a lot of birds are there for their pedigrees only has how can that many pair of stock breed winners, its hard enough to get a few pair, we got 9 pair (majority are retired racers) and last year 6 pair bred at least 1 first prize winner and 8 pair bred pigeons to score in the first 4 at club level, the only pair that were not sucessful were a pair that in previous years had bred very good pigeons ?........In the past we have kept birds because there grandfather/grandmother were big winners but not now they must breed prizewinners, that is why they are there, even good racers never make it in the stockloft we have disposed of birds that have won 6 x1sts, 7 x 1sts etc simply because they never bred anything decent.