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Posted 8 April 2018 - 21:08 PM

Has anyone on here just flown their old birds arround their loft and not trained them at all before sending them to a race.

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Posted 8 April 2018 - 21:45 PM

As long as their fit you can do it,training almost impossible in S.Wales valleys now.

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Posted 9 April 2018 - 05:59 AM

View PostBANDIT, on 8 April 2018 - 22:08 PM, said:

Has anyone on here just flown their old birds arround their loft and not trained them at all before sending them to a race.



yes Paul :emoticon-0123-party:
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Posted 9 April 2018 - 09:12 AM

Most years. Indeed yearlings and the odd 2 y.o. go first time in basket of 150 miles and often finish well... Top 10 etc.
When I was a lad, a few years back, most fanciers did just that. In the 50's early 60's etc. it was nigh the norm.
20 miles on the Train cost 2/- and 50 miles 2/6. Depending on weight etc. Most could not afford, or merit such costs.
Hence Club members trained for pacific races I.e. Berwick for Lerwick. Getting the mileage under the wing to sharpen them up. Remarkably the fact was each season end, in the moult when not looking at their best, Fanciers were having to decide which were to go, to make room for the next year yearlings as there wouldn't be enough Nest boxes ... Meant a bird had to merit it's place, or make way for another bird.

Gary Edmunds - the most prolific winner I ever knew. only trained his youngsters twice. Once at 20 mile and another 50. Old birds were never trained!
He would state 'If they can do 20 miles, they can do 50 miles. If they can do 50 miles they can go any where. He proved it in and out in the years he raced. He won every thing there was. Held the record for most fed wins on the trot of the Northampton Fed (5)... till his uncle Barry Andrews, a real great racer to boot, beat it via one.
Barry trained hard on the natural favouring the 'Hen' especially at the distance and hard races. Gary flew strictly cock birds on widowerhood, never racing a hen
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Posted 9 April 2018 - 17:59 PM

View Postleslie24williams49, on 8 April 2018 - 22:45 PM, said:

As long as their fit you can do it,training almost impossible in S.Wales valleys now.


How long arround the loft should they be doing prior to a race say of 75 miles...all birds raced as ybs out to 150 odd miles.

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Posted 9 April 2018 - 18:32 PM

Once or twice a day as long as they are flying well say 40 " or so,depends on your circumstances.

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Posted 9 April 2018 - 18:52 PM

View Postleslie24williams49, on 9 April 2018 - 19:32 PM, said:

Once or twice a day as long as they are flying well say 40 " or so,depends on your circumstances.


Thanks.....

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Posted 9 April 2018 - 22:59 PM

If u can get them into the baskets and only bought down the road a few mile might help then deal with the stress of it all again

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:27 AM

Was a time when the 'Old Timers' got their youngsters basket trained on a race day Sat afternoon. Sitting high up and looking around.
Many still do I'd wager.
I had best results when from the nest they were fed and watered in the basket in their new loft compartment. - Then in the loft then left the door open and allowed to wander around the garden etc. till up and about. Now of course they go into the aviary first. Then open trap etc.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 15:55 PM

View PostRoland, on 12 April 2018 - 10:27 AM, said:

Was a time when the 'Old Timers' got their youngsters basket trained on a race day Sat afternoon. Sitting high up and looking around.
Many still do I'd wager.
I had best results when from the nest they were fed and watered in the basket in their new loft compartment. - Then in the loft then left the door open and allowed to wander around the garden etc. till up and about. Now of course they go into the aviary first. Then open trap etc.


Roland,IM TALKING ABOUT RACING OLDBIRDS THAT HAVE RACED AS YBS BUT HAVE NOT TRAINED THIS YEAR.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 18:35 PM

31 BIRDS BACK OUT OF 35 SENT A FEW MINUTES OFF THE PACE HAPPY ENOUGH.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 18:47 PM

View PostBANDIT, on 16 April 2018 - 19:35 PM, said:

31 BIRDS BACK OUT OF 35 SENT A FEW MINUTES OFF THE PACE HAPPY ENOUGH.



well done Paul :emoticon-0137-clapping: :emoticon-0137-clapping:
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 19:05 PM

View Postandy Burgess, on 16 April 2018 - 19:47 PM, said:

well done Paul :emoticon-0137-clapping: :emoticon-0137-clapping:


Andy after losing 6 around the loft to the sparrow hawk and having to keep them in for a week i wasnt sure about jumping the birds straight in to their first race.Id been getting them loft flying again for over an hour so took a chance.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 20:25 PM

View PostBANDIT, on 16 April 2018 - 20:05 PM, said:

Andy after losing 6 around the loft to the sparrow hawk and having to keep them in for a week i wasnt sure about jumping the birds straight in to their first race.Id been getting them loft flying again for over an hour so took a chance.



thats part the reason i stopped training , especially old birds . an attack early last month saw me lose a yearling cock in the attack , a 3 year old hen , and 6 pairs of eggs chilled . i also kept them in for a week afterwards. during which time my elderly neighbour lost 1 of his only 7 birds to an attack. also the "big doo man" across from me had lost 1 in attack. they are tough times indeed Paul :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:
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Posted 21 April 2018 - 21:20 PM

View Postandy Burgess, on 16 April 2018 - 21:25 PM, said:

thats part the reason i stopped training , especially old birds . an attack early last month saw me lose a yearling cock in the attack , a 3 year old hen , and 6 pairs of eggs chilled . i also kept them in for a week afterwards. during which time my elderly neighbour lost 1 of his only 7 birds to an attack. also the "big doo man" across from me had lost 1 in attack. they are tough times indeed Paul :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:


Andy i sent 49 back to thurles (75 miles ) and have 46 home so far including 3 unraced or trained 3 yearolds..still a few mins off the pace but birds getting fitter each race.

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 21:43 PM

Half of my old birds have raced last year and I never tossed much this year but I feel they will be fine

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Posted 22 April 2018 - 12:00 PM

View PostBANDIT, on 12 April 2018 - 16:55 PM, said:

Roland,IM TALKING ABOUT RACING OLDBIRDS THAT HAVE RACED AS YBS BUT HAVE NOT TRAINED THIS YEAR.

I race my Yearlings and OLD bird is not previously sent FIRST TIME EVER in a a basket up to nigh 200 miles. Like I saay

as I said. Gary trained ONLY twice - like many others. 2 training tosses as young birds THEN never trained again! Many fanciers used to just send to races FULL STOP!
Whether over the waters / Shetland's etc.
Sorry thought that was quite clear!
P.S. no need to shout I heard you and READE your post... SEEMS YOU DIDN'T READ PROPERLY OR UNDERSTAND MAT!
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Posted 22 April 2018 - 12:10 PM

View PostBANDIT, on 21 April 2018 - 22:20 PM, said:

Andy i sent 49 back to thurles (75 miles ) and have 46 home so far including 3 unraced or trained 3 yearolds..still a few mins off the pace but birds getting fitter each race.



thats good Paul . keep us posted how the birds get on :drinking-coffee-200:
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Posted 25 April 2018 - 13:27 PM

Well a simple realism eh! How did pigeons find their' way home during the war years? Many of course broken in pigeons. Destinations around the clock. Never train to land marks ( Breaking points rubbish) that's a certainty. Went any way and which in all weathers... Even at night released in paper bags at 5000 feet from planes! They homed in good time too (same as day time velocities)
I know how they broke them in... also how and why they returned to camouflaged lofts that may have moved miles away, deep in forests even / etc. Also of course on ships etc. No problem. Indeed read a great account of these in a great annual called 'Scotland's own'.
Now I buy a few birds from Scotland (True) from a flyer on here whom had a few good seasons. 2 years later I let out. In no time at all back in their original loft. fact.
Pigeons, like nigh all animals and birds are naturally mentally and fit. To a pretty high degree.
So a few races without training will and has, and does bring them on a treat.
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Posted 27 April 2018 - 20:45 PM

Sent 46 to their 3rd race of the season about 125 miles....wind on their nose all the way....going to be very different to the first two 75 mile races.

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