Wiley Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 “When you race long distances, get up very early in the morning to train your pigeons, just after sunrise. Have long distance pigeons train late at night as well.†What’s your thoughts on this or experiences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJWa Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 “When you race long distances, get up very early in the morning to train your pigeons, just after sunrise. Have long distance pigeons train late at night as well.†What’s your thoughts on this or experiences? a m8 of mine had great success doing this liberated at 1st light 2 things, 1st it helped with the hawks by being on there way home before the hawks got moving 2nd in a national race his birds were up early the 2nd dayas they were used to flying at 1st light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillstreetblues48 Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 a m8 of mine had great success doing this liberated at 1st light 2 things, 1st it helped with the hawks by being on there way home before the hawks got moving 2nd in a national race his birds were up early the 2nd dayas they were used to flying at 1st light You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANDIT Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I knew a guy that raced south rd out of france and he trains his birds 30 or 40 miles north and libs them so they have to night out.he makes sure that they have enough light to start for home but have to drop before getting home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE FIFER Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 going back in the old days i know it was a done thing getting birds out early in the morning, they used to be sky high and for long periods, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I knew a guy that raced south rd out of france and he trains his birds 30 or 40 miles north and libs them so they have to night out.he makes sure that they have enough light to start for home but have to drop before getting home. How was his results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANDIT Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 How was his results it was many years ago but he timed the odd one from france.....his theory was that by making them go down and night out they would know when to give up to come again early next morning having rested up for a few hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeboah Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Good Distance Pigeons Don't need any basket training just complete rest fed and motivated properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Hi Ryan come on the gunners lol. I know a guy that gives his birds peanuts at 21:30 every night hoping that his birds would put in an extra effort to get home at night ,he used to do very well from France . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Good Distance Pigeons Don't need any basket training just complete rest fed and motivated properlyYer right there Mick.....guid yins are guid yins dusnae matter what time of day or might it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Totally agree Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King billy 2 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Day doos whe all look for if you're learning doos to sleep out when they could get home your defeating the purpose extreme long distance where it's impossible to get them on the shift your old fashioned 2 day plodders will love just trudging up the road in 2 or 3 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 “When you race long distances, get up very early in the morning to train your pigeons, just after sunrise. Have long distance pigeons train late at night as well.†What’s your thoughts on this or experiences? Barry Andrews, a great all rounder distance wise, excelled at the distance. One thing he did do was take and release 20 - 30 miles dusk time. Giving them just enough time to home. Said they can and will fly in the dark if needs be - (Obviously very true and proven fact). Gave them an urgency to get home. If out, they learnt to cope etc. and not get stressed out. In days when often the early bird next day won the hard and distance races, this training was a boon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glencameron Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 “When you race long distances, get up very early in the morning to train your pigeons, just after sunrise. Have long distance pigeons train late at night as well.†What’s your thoughts on this or experiences? Hi Wiley Not being cheeky but when you say the Dutch way can you name some fanciers who do this, for example it is not the arjan beens, jelle jellema , battenburg, Sarloos way. At present in holland there does seem to be birds clocked in at the night time. Previously it was limited to the npo late realease races (I.e a forced overnight race for 500 plus miles so they were fresh at dusk) . For the international races with a morning liberation there is but a handful clocked in during the night to the Netherlands but it must be said they do seem to make better use of the hours of daylight than Belgium and may indeed be flying longer into the night before roosting (or getting up earlier) . in the uk we don't get many late lib races. If the race is a blow home the night time clock ins are more frequent. Also be very dismissive and sceptical of the fanciers who clock in at night time and who already had a timer earlier ! Also some guys do like to be retrospectve and have a system after it has happened (commercial reason) . Jellema on his website has mentioned previously trying to teach birds to home late when racing these races with it happening with one bird on a few occasions. i guess in the U.K. There are limited races where the aim is not a day race. Perhaps NFC Tarbes If a late lib and the longest race for each respective national. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King billy 2 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Why would you train doos to sleep out if you stayed in the south or far east of Scotland when there always a chance of day doos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted January 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) Hi Wiley Not being cheeky but when you say the Dutch way can you name some fanciers who do this, for example it is not the arjan beens, jelle jellema , battenburg, Sarloos way. At present in holland there does seem to be birds clocked in at the night time. Previously it was limited to the npo late realease races (I.e a forced overnight race for 500 plus miles so they were fresh at dusk) . For the international races with a morning liberation there is but a handful clocked in during the night to the Netherlands but it must be said they do seem to make better use of the hours of daylight than Belgium and may indeed be flying longer into the night before roosting (or getting up earlier) . in the uk we don't get many late lib races. If the race is a blow home the night time clock ins are more frequent. Also be very dismissive and sceptical of the fanciers who clock in at night time and who already had a timer earlier ! Also some guys do like to be retrospectve and have a system after it has happened (commercial reason) . Jellema on his website has mentioned previously trying to teach birds to home late when racing these races with it happening with one bird on a few occasions. i guess in the U.K. There are limited races where the aim is not a day race. Perhaps NFC Tarbes If a late lib and the longest race for each respective national. Glen I took the quote from an article I read, and it was quoted being the Dutch way for long distance, my only addition to this post what was your thoughts or experiences, as it is something I am contemplating on doing training early morning just as the sun is rising, but my interest is not in two day races my interest lies in timing in on hard days when light is fading Edited January 1, 2018 by Wiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANDIT Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 We race from france into Ireland the same weekend of the gold cup race and both libs have been disasters only difference is the scotch birds have 400 miles or more of land to go down and get back up we dont ...our race has been won quiet a few times early next day birds crossing and going down to get back up again and carry on....If our birds dont cross on the day very very few turn up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mambo Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 We race from france into Ireland the same weekend of the gold cup race and both libs have been disasters only difference is the scotch birds have 400 miles or more of land to go down and get back up we dont ...our race has been won quiet a few times early next day birds crossing and going down to get back up again and carry on....If our birds dont cross on the day very very few turn up again.Why not fly lerwick to cork 637 mile plenty of land to cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANDIT Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Why not fly lerwick to cork 637 mile plenty of land to cover Id love to have a go racing north rd from scotland into Dublin but no north rd clubs in Dublin, as for racing lerwick id be trying girvan ,strathavan or thurso first.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Kipps had 17 in 20 minutes after one in the morning from Barcelona. The Canadian forces in the war years - so did the British but not quite so successful, released pigeon at night, in total darkness, in paper bags at 5000 feet. They timed in, in the dark, from 200 - 300 miles. Why the paper bags? Because the wind would catch and steer it clear of the planes tail end. So the thought of training pigeons to 'Sleep at night' is .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIK Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 early morning first light training is a great way of training , and as Wiley said the hawks still not moved , so clean run. Can only be good right late night training is a good way of getting pigeons not to fear dusk, and maybe keep going that bit longer, so can also help clock late at night , only can be good right and when the pigeon flies till it cant see , it perches up , then at 1st light , bang on loft ...early timer think its all good...good post atbMick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew suckle Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Tried early training worked ok for a year then got hit every toss the following year from all different bits don’t be kidded on there not about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg50 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Any tosses i give birds usualy after lunch ,hope hawks etc have had their kill ,had to move away from line of flight as were coming broken up in ones and twos ,this last 2years tossed East maybe 15 mile and its been better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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