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#41 User is offline   Kyleakin Lofts 

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 16:31 PM

View PostBLACK W F, on 16 November 2017 - 15:36 PM, said:

Andy SHU have less members than NWHU yet they have a full time sec and a part time admin compared with nwhu only run by 1 person part time SHU don't have any better benefits than NWHU so y are we payiny £13-50 membership for SHU NWHU £3-50 ring prices already shown free transf with NWHU ect its no brainer they need to change quickly they are in the dark ages compared to NWHU


£17-50 membership is a direct result of full time staff costs and lower membership income.
Ring prices are a direct result of full time staff costs and lower sales volume.
Transfer costs are a direct result of full time staff costs.

Change may be required, but it will never happen when the Membership do not attend the AGM. This apathy is taken to signify that everyone is happy, so continue as before. Grumbling on an internet platform will never bring change to any organisation where there is no attendance at the AGM.
I have raised the ring issue at Delegates meetings, both cost and quality. :)
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 16:59 PM

View PostKyleakin Lofts, on 16 November 2017 - 14:43 PM, said:

I don't understand why you think that the SHU is stuck in the dark ages and what the reference to the Belgians has to do with the SHU.

If fanciers wish to follow suit regarding the Belgians, then let them. If you pair your pigeons on the 30th November they should lay by the 10th December. If so, the eggs will hatch on the 19th December and the young will be ready to ring around the 26th December at a push. This means they are 2017 bred and should be rung as 2017 pigeons. What has this to do with the SHU not issuing 2018 rings until 2018? :)

That is the quickest egg I've ever heard of hatching 9 days :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle:
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 17:16 PM

View Postpaddymac, on 16 November 2017 - 16:59 PM, said:

That is the quickest egg I've ever heard of hatching 9 days :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle:


not as bad as breeding 2018 birds in 2017 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 17:24 PM

View PostKyleakin Lofts, on 16 November 2017 - 16:31 PM, said:

£17-50 membership is a direct result of full time staff costs and lower membership income.
Ring prices are a direct result of full time staff costs and lower sales volume.
Transfer costs are a direct result of full time staff costs.

Change may be required, but it will never happen when the Membership do not attend the AGM. This apathy is taken to signify that everyone is happy, so continue as before. Grumbling on an internet platform will never bring change to any organisation where there is no attendance at the AGM.
I have raised the ring issue at Delegates meetings, both cost and quality. :)

then maybe its time for postal votes as not all live around the corner like u Andy

View PostTHE FIFER, on 16 November 2017 - 17:16 PM, said:

not as bad as breeding 2018 birds in 2017 Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

this is not a new thing 40 year ago guys birds hatched in December and got their rings on 3rd Jan just in time to ring them
the truth is here not out there

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 18:37 PM

View Postpaddymac, on 16 November 2017 - 16:59 PM, said:

That is the quickest egg I've ever heard of hatching 9 days :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle:


I was counting 19 days from the 10th December and due to a senior moment typed in 19th. :)
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 18:48 PM

View PostBLACK W F, on 16 November 2017 - 17:24 PM, said:

then maybe its time for postal votes as not all live around the corner like u Andy


this is not a new thing 40 year ago guys birds hatched in December and got their rings on 3rd Jan just in time to ring them


Postal votes has been a debate on here before, I'm sure. Again it will not happen, especially given non-attendance at AGM.

I accept that many members live closer to the area where the AGM is held than some others, but that is exactly the reason why the AGM is held in that area. I have not managed to attend an AGM since becoming a Delegate due to childminding activities and Federation duties, but hope to sort that failing this year. Reports at Delegates meetings intimate that only one or two members attend the AGM apart from the Delegates. Not all Federations have their Delegates in attendance, so it would appear that only the Federations within close proximity to the AGM have representation. Members should either attend the AGM or instruct their Delegates at a previous Federation meeting. Notices of Motion require to be in the Secretary's hands prior to 31st October to gain entry to the AGM agenda.

You will never alter a closed shop unless you open its doors. :)
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 19:15 PM

View PostBLACK W F, on 16 November 2017 - 17:24 PM, said:

then maybe its time for postal votes as not all live around the corner like u Andy

rotate AGM round the country Alan
likewise the shu show
priced a train to it the 1st year it started was £74
plus the 3 hours travelling to then 3 hours back

why not have then in perth area at the least
far fairer and more central :drinking-coffee-200:

this is not a new thing 40 year ago guys birds hatched in December and got their rings on 3rd Jan just in time to ring them

keeping an eye on cem

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 19:20 PM

View PostKyleakin Lofts, on 16 November 2017 - 18:37 PM, said:

I was counting 19 days from the 10th December and due to a senior moment typed in 19th. :)

We all have them Andy :)
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 19:35 PM

View Postgrdkeith, on 16 November 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

We can always rely on you to look on the bright side :emoticon-0179-headbang:

Well said Phil is forty nae enough to race ?
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 19:43 PM

Well after reading some of the replies on here, ive changed my mind....I said SHU were living in Victorian era, I now think its the STONE AGE :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 20:10 PM

View PostFroog, on 16 November 2017 - 19:43 PM, said:

Well after reading some of the replies on here, ive changed my mind....I said SHU were living in Victorian era, I now think its the STONE AGE :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:


Change, in most organisations, happens slowly. In some organisations it is so slow as to be imperceptible. :)
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 20:19 PM

rotate AGM round the country Alan
likewise the shu show
priced a train to it the 1st year it started was £74
plus the 3 hours travelling to then 3 hours back

why not have then in perth area at the least
far fairer and more central

Perth and Stirling used to be the capital of Scotland due to the impenetrable nature of their castles, etc. Road and rail access to Perth is fairly good, so this could be a fair move. It is, however, the same few Delegates who attend, so a move to a venue giving them a further distance to travel may be a tall order. :)
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 20:24 PM

View PostFroog, on 16 November 2017 - 19:43 PM, said:

Well after reading some of the replies on here, ive changed my mind....I said SHU were living in Victorian era, I now think its the STONE AGE :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

think that sums it up Fred y is there a need for fulltime sec and admin aswell surely a part time sec could do the job
the truth is here not out there

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 20:25 PM

View PostKyleakin Lofts, on 16 November 2017 - 16:31 PM, said:

£17-50 membership is a direct result of full time staff costs and lower membership income.
Ring prices are a direct result of full time staff costs and lower sales volume.
Transfer costs are a direct result of full time staff costs.

Change may be required, but it will never happen when the Membership do not attend the AGM. This apathy is taken to signify that everyone is happy, so continue as before. Grumbling on an internet platform will never bring change to any organisation where there is no attendance at the AGM.
I have raised the ring issue at Delegates meetings, both cost and quality. :)


Very honest post Andy, well done

This post has been edited by Delboy: 16 November 2017 - 20:26 PM

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 20:31 PM

View Postblue lad, on 16 November 2017 - 19:35 PM, said:

Well said Phil is forty nae enough to race ?

y is 40 enough its up to each fancier to fly what he wants that's what keeps birdage price down
the truth is here not out there

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 20:50 PM

View Postblue lad, on 16 November 2017 - 19:35 PM, said:

Well said Phil is forty nae enough to race ?



If forty rings gets you forty to race I need to know your secret
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 20:51 PM

View Postgrdkeith, on 16 November 2017 - 20:50 PM, said:

If forty rings gets you forty to race I need to know your secret



no training!!!simple!!lol
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 20:53 PM

View Postgrdkeith, on 16 November 2017 - 20:50 PM, said:

If forty rings gets you forty to race I need to know your secret

So do I

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 21:02 PM

View PostBLACK W F, on 16 November 2017 - 20:31 PM, said:

y is 40 enough its up to each fancier to fly what he wants that's what keeps birdage price down


Would certainly put an end to gifting birds to raise funds for feds/charities etc
all members are equal but some are more equal than others !!

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 21:10 PM

View Postgrdkeith, on 16 November 2017 - 21:02 PM, said:

Would certainly put an end to gifting birds to raise funds for feds/charities etc


Ill not be giving any ybs to any sale other than charity ones.
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