Froog Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Are we fooled by these so called top fanciers in the world? Views please. Only using this vid as an example, or is British best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Burgess Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Are we fooled by these so called top fanciers in the world? Views please. Only using this vid as an example, or is British best? i thought Koopman is a Dutchman , although with Belgium Van Loon pigeons , maybe he has been fooled into buying them ? what do you think Froog ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froog Posted August 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 i thought Koopman is a Dutchman , although with Belgium Van Loon pigeons , maybe he has been fooled into buying them ? what do you think Froog ? It was just an example of how these guys sell to Chinese etc for huge coin. I know most fanciers in Uk have mainly Belgium/ dutch origin strains, me included, but many Uk fanciers actually improve these strains or do they? Take Poland for example, top class fanciers and birds sell for peanuts compared to Belgium/Holland/Germany....was just asking for other guys views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Flying into continental Europe is a different "ball game" from flying into Scotland. Whilst not decrying their pigeons, the old Scottish strains were "tried and tested". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigydoo Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 I think it's a matter of doing your research to be honest.I had a guy calling me last week to ask about a belgian fancier , granted this fancier(the belgian one) is well know and he has won a couple of inters, but the guy breeds 800 young birds for himself!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 I think fanciers (myself included) are too quick to go for new pigeons etc Maybe if we all improved our stockmanship and racing abilities we could find what we are looking for in our own lofts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbar Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 That's a serious amount of young birds,I have 5,I think it's a matter of doing your research to be honest.I had a guy calling me last week to ask about a belgian fancier , granted this fancier(the belgian one) is well know and he has won a couple of inters, but the guy breeds 800 young birds for himself!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sienna Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Competition level is far greater over belguim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIDDON Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Most of the Belgian flyers are very keen and devoted to there birds here in the U.K. we have many fanciers who just keep them for pets and are frightened to death of sending them to some races for fear of losing them, also many of the Dutch & Belgian birds don't have to fly into hills the highest they have to fly over over is a hedge and they don't have as bad a hawk problem as the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boultz Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 do belgium birds win all the one loft races? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingziemckay Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Are we fooled by these so called top fanciers in the world? Views please. Only using this vid as an example, or is British best? i wonder how many fanciers have watched this video and are now flocking to the supermarket to buy cheese for there pigeons!!! :emoticon-0136-giggle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McKay Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 i wonder how many fanciers have watched this video and are now flocking to the supermarket to buy cheese for there pigeons!!! :emoticon-0136-giggle: Just been to Tesco just sold out :emoticon-0136-giggle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 A lot of the old fanciers recommended cheese for the pigeons. They like it and become really tame for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Flying into continental Europe is a different "ball game" from flying into Scotland. Whilst not decrying their pigeons, the old Scottish strains were "tried and tested". where do u think the old Scottish strains come from Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Alan, I do understand this. The point I suppose I was trying to make was that bringing in continental blood dilutes the proven lines and as George pointed out, fanciers are continually bringing in new lines to the detriment of the lines they already have in the loft.The old fanciers may have been better stock-men, but they had patience to wait and see whether the introduction improved their family. If it didn't, then the lot went and they would try again. Very few nowadays have a family; they have a mixture of many and varied lines.Because a pigeon does well in Holland or Belgium, does not mean that it will automatically do well in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Alan, I do understand this. The point I suppose I was trying to make was that bringing in continental blood dilutes the proven lines and as George pointed out, fanciers are continually bringing in new lines to the detriment of the lines they already have in the loft.The old fanciers may have been better stock-men, but they had patience to wait and see whether the introduction improved their family. If it didn't, then the lot went and they would try again. Very few nowadays have a family; they have a mixture of many and varied lines.Because a pigeon does well in Holland or Belgium, does not mean that it will automatically do well in Scotland. Andy the best loft in Scotland is made up of continental birds the macs result have been brilliant for many a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Andy the best loft in Scotland is made up of continental birds the macs result have been brilliant for many a year What was it like a the start for them Alan? Did they blend the continentals into Scottish lines over a period of time and thus acclimatise their continentals? Did they suffer a lot of losses until they honed the continental lines that were brought in, if not blended? The Macs are about to enter their 4th generation of fanciers and with them,it is not just the birds; they, as a family, are dedicated to their pigeons beyond what most ordinary fanciers are and they are as much a part of the success of the continental lines as the pigeons are themselves. I have never said that continental pigeons cannot fly / race into Scotland successfully. I do not think that continental pigeons are the sole answer. I think the fancier and their dedication / understanding of breeding, i.e. stock-man ability, are as important, if not more important than solely the pigeons.Top fanciers could win with my pigeons. I have trouble flying a kite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIDDON Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 George Busschaert used several strains of birds to build his family and to this day many fanciers all over the UK are still winning with his bloodlines but just like the master himself you need to find by trial & error the right birds to cross with them to keep a winning family going, as with all the latest craze family names of today they are all bred down from the old strains of the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 George Busschaert used several strains of birds to build his family and to this day many fanciers all over the UK are still winning with his bloodlines but just like the master himself you need to find by trial & error the right birds to cross with them to keep a winning family going, as with all the latest craze family names of today they are all bred down from the old strains of the pastYet in Belgium nobody had ever heard of Busschaert.....crazy Pretty sure Dr Anderson and the like ever Andra Deans all introduced Belgian pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg50 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 IMO its the little fancier with the small number of birds thats putting up good performances week in week out in Europe that need to be studied and bought from ,if you look up some of the well known studs and fanciers selling birds they have pigeon lofts the size of small hamlets and breed an exceptional amount of young to flood the market with rubbish but on saying that i have this or that strain like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIDDON Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Jansen bros only had a small loft and didn't have many birds but there must be thousands of birds today that have there blood in them in fact most people have a Jansen influence in there lofts now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Jansen bros only had a small loft and didn't have many birds but there must be thousands of birds today that have there blood in them in fact most people have a Jansen influence in there lofts nowVery true Also unreal to think the Janssen bros barely ever flew over 100 miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg50 Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Very true Also unreal to think the Janssen bros barely ever flew over 100 milesI have a few of them ,that explains how i lose them at over 100mile out LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymac Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Andy the best loft in Scotland is made up of continental birds the macs result have been brilliant for many a yearHave to agree Alan, including all the old fancier lofts that were founded on these strains as well as a lot of todays modern lofts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Have to agree Alan, including all the old fancier lofts that were founded on these strains as well as a lot of todays modern lofts.exactly all the old distance birds where founded on imported birds as where the m/dist and sprinters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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