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#1 User is offline   dunc50 

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 17:35 PM

with another poor national, could this be the end off the blue ribbon races from over the water in France, or is it just a bad season ??

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 17:56 PM

Serious bad season,a whole stack of winners missing,and one more national to go.our dodgey weather does not help.who,d be a race controller,

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 18:07 PM

View Postdunc50, on 17 July 2017 - 18:35 PM, said:

with another poor national, could this be the end off the blue ribbon races from over the water in France, or is it just a bad season ??


why not try a year of only liberating snfc races on a Friday
where possible

that would have to help with returns
with very few or no other liberations
to interfere with the birds :drinking-coffee-200: :drinking-coffee-200:
keeping an eye on cem

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 18:32 PM

why not go to two day nationals, liberated between 12-2 , then there will be no day pigeons they will all go down, not completely exhausted and race home on day two.

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 18:41 PM

Won't happen Craig.

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 18:46 PM

There have been bad years in the past and will be again , the national from France is the buzz race and can never change ! Ask all the top distance men and they will dust themselves down and get on with it .
But agree there must be changes in the information we get about weather and other organisations in same area not libbing when we do and let's get video of liberation and pictures of the channel sent back to the members as the more info the better .
I was lucky to get a good doo in gold cup but it was still a disaster of a race , but I know how it feels not getting one as I never timed from 1st or 2nd national plus many more over the years so do know the hurt .
But the gold cup HAS to be from France or national racing has bit the dust ,
This is only my opinion on way forward .
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Posted 17 July 2017 - 18:50 PM

This is the worse year for national racing that I have saw since being in the doo game
Davie murray

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 18:51 PM

View Postgreenbar, on 17 July 2017 - 18:41 PM, said:

Won't happen Craig.

Thankfully

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 19:21 PM

View Postdal2, on 17 July 2017 - 18:51 PM, said:

Thankfully

It's no use shooting it down Steven ,something needs to be done or there will be no overseas races soon , so we've not to lib mid day ,not race from Ypres line of flight what's the other options ? Yes the weather doesn't help .

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 19:24 PM

Channel racing is dead... if Peta got a hold of the percentages tht return we would be fkd

Imagine 10% of horses survived the grand national? The rest never survived...ppl would be in jail

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 19:33 PM

View Posthotrod, on 17 July 2017 - 19:21 PM, said:

It's no use shooting it down Steven ,something needs to be done or there will be no overseas races soon , so we've not to lib mid day ,not race from Ypres line of flight what's the other options ? Yes the weather doesn't help .

It's my opinion Stuart that a midday lib is needless from distances that are very achievable in 10 hrs. The chances of coming a cropper milling about in the dark? Is that what we want for the Birds? Would there be some bleeting if libbed at 12 and they were times in the solway at night? Or would we then want to let them off at 4 in the afternoon?
As regards line of flight. Reims last year with the snfc wasn't great and I certainly wouldn't put ypres this year down as stotter would You? SNRPC? Areas and Reims this year?
No sure line of flight has much to do with it.
So that's my opinion on it mate. No shooting anything down without putting some thought into it.

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 19:45 PM

View Postgeordie1234, on 17 July 2017 - 20:24 PM, said:

Channel racing is dead... if Peta got a hold of the percentages tht return we would be fkd

Imagine 10% of horses survived the grand national? The rest never survived...ppl would be in jail

Sorry George channel racing will never die , as for PETA think they could go to you and me and every other loft and see a lot worse than giving a pigeon it's liberty that has the choice to come home or not , I think you know what I mean by that .
It has been a very bad national season all over uk and Ireland for losses .jmo

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 19:49 PM

Me personally we will never have good channel racing again

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 19:51 PM

View PostBobby4, on 17 July 2017 - 19:49 PM, said:

Me personally we will never have good channel racing again

Thts my thoughts and thts why I said it was dead.... getting 10% home isn't a race

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 19:52 PM

View Postgeordie1234, on 17 July 2017 - 19:51 PM, said:

Thts my thoughts and thts why I said it was dead.... getting 10% home isn't a race

Yes it's hard eneogh to get a good traing toss these days

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 20:00 PM

View Postdal2, on 17 July 2017 - 19:33 PM, said:

It's my opinion Stuart that a midday lib is needless from distances that are very achievable in 10 hrs. The chances of coming a cropper milling about in the dark? Is that what we want for the Birds? Would there be some bleeting if libbed at 12 and they were times in the solway at night? Or would we then want to let them off at 4 in the afternoon?
As regards line of flight. Reims last year with the snfc wasn't great and I certainly wouldn't put ypres this year down as stotter would You? SNRPC? Areas and Reims this year?
No sure line of flight has much to do with it.
So that's my opinion on it mate. No shooting anything down without putting some thought into it.

I agree with you Steven but things have to be put forward ideas etc because status quo isn't working ,as for Ypres ,yes it wasn't great but prob the best overseas race in the snfc this season . The SNRPC let go 56 birds at near 600 miles and get great returns , DKJ quoted that they got help up the road with the unc going up 10 mins at their *expletive removed* ,same can't be said with the ansenis race up 10 mins in front of MNFC . Surely the members must look at going with the unc or doing what the SNRPC do /did for the sake of the pigeons .

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 20:04 PM

View PostBobby4, on 17 July 2017 - 19:52 PM, said:

Yes it's hard eneogh to get a good traing toss these days

Kev I've been lucky up till yesterday ,had brill trying out to 20 odd miles beating me home every time and not losing any ,that was until yesterday sent birds on transporter fk me one home then another after about 20 mins then all day right up till 20-45 last night and 2 down so got 21/23 and one home hawked ,it's not the sport of old ,it's getting harder and harder to keep going .

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 20:05 PM

View Posthotrod, on 17 July 2017 - 20:00 PM, said:

I agree with you Steven but things have to be put forward ideas etc because status quo isn't working ,as for Ypres ,yes it wasn't great but prob the best overseas race in the snfc this season . The SNRPC let go 56 birds at near 600 miles and get great returns , DKJ quoted that they got help up the road with the unc going up 10 mins at their *expletive removed* ,same can't be said with the ansenis race up 10 mins in front of MNFC . Surely the members must look at going with the unc or doing what the SNRPC do /did for the sake of the pigeons .

We have had good and bad races with joint libs as well Stuart but it is a no brainer for me that you go with numbers travelling in the same direction. Colin is right every organisation has had problems over the water this year. My theory is atmospherics but who knows.

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 20:09 PM

View Postdal2, on 17 July 2017 - 20:05 PM, said:

We have had good and bad races with joint libs as well Stuart but it is a no brainer for me that you go with numbers travelling in the same direction. Colin is right every organisation has had problems over the water this year. My theory is atmospherics but who knows.

Might be ,but why is it there are nearly always birds on time ,so does the atmospherics only affect a few ?or doesn't affect a few more like it .yes at most races quite a good % of birds aren't up to it or bred for it or right for it ,but the main race the gold cup and ancenis you would think that most would be right for the job in hand . Lots of empty doo kits about this year .

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 20:11 PM

View Posthotrod, on 17 July 2017 - 20:09 PM, said:

Might be ,but why is it there are nearly always birds on time ,so does the atmospherics only affect a few ?or doesn't affect a few more like it .yes at most races quite a good % of birds aren't up to it or bred for it or right for it ,but the main race the gold cup and ancenis you would think that most would be right for the job in hand . Lots of empty doo kits about this year .

I thought the Gold Cup birds were late mate.

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