Guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 more than you think dafty ;D Naw,you couldn't think more than me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullie semple Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 lets be honest with ourselfs who sells stock birds that are breeding the goods you are better buying y/birds or late bredsand take your chance with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 lets be honest with ourselfs who sells stock birds that are breeding the goods you are better buying y/birds or late bredsand take your chance with them IT CANNAE BE THE DAFTIES TAMMY, ALF, GEORDIE, DARK HELMET, PIGEON PETE, DARK CHEQUER, OR ANY MODERATORS TO NAME A FEW, NEVER SEEN THEM SELL BIRDS ON HERE. SO IT MUST BE NOT SO DAFT OR WORSE THAN DAFT THAT SELL THEM ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Naw,you couldn't think more than me How can you possibly think more than me if you have a smaller brain so therefore you have less power of thought than me ;), if you were even half as clever than you think you are then you would only be half as clever as you really are. ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Gill Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Ive been reading the threads on this forum since Richard started it and I cant believe some of the stuff posted on here regarding the selling of pigeons ..just because there was one bad apple doesnt mean that everyone selling pigeons should be tarred with the same brush and by the way you pays your money and takes your chance..as far as I can see that lad didnt hold a gun to anyones head to get money from them.Yet he still gets mentioned in every thread regarding the selling of pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Ive been reading the threads on this forum since Richard started it and I cant believe some of the stuff posted on here regarding the selling of pigeons ..just because there was one bad apple doesnt mean that everyone selling pigeons should be tarred with the same brush and by the way you pays your money and takes your chance..as far as I can see that lad didnt hold a gun to anyones head to get money from them.Yet he still gets mentioned in every thread regarding the selling of pigeons. I think the comments on the attached quote is pure crap! Nobody is tarring everybody with the same brush, some of you people are needing to take your heads out of the I'm alright Jack's butt and read the facts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Gill Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I think the comments on the attached quote is pure crap! Nobody is tarring everybody with the same brush, some of you people are needing to take your heads out of the I'm alright Jack's butt and read the facts! I didnt post that to get into a slanging match with you but when your "FACTS" include people having to go through a spanish inquisiton when selling pigeons for 25 or 30 quid ,well its not right ..what do you think your buying at that price ?? A National winner?? Just what are these facts you mention ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Ian I'll reply tomorrow, I assume you are referring to my posts about Timbarra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homebird Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I didnt post that to get into a slanging match with you but when your "FACTS" include people having to go through a spanish inquisiton when selling pigeons for 25 or 30 quid ,well its not right ..what do you think your buying at that price ?? A National winner?? Just what are these facts you mention ?? AT WHAT PRICE WOULD YOU START ASKING QUESTIONS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I didnt post that to get into a slanging match with you but when your "FACTS" include people having to go through a spanish inquisiton when selling pigeons for 25 or 30 quid ,well its not right ..what do you think your buying at that price ?? A National winner?? Just what are these facts you mention ?? It does not matter if I want a bird for free of one for £100's of pounds. I or anyone else is surely allowed to ask questions about it Questions like What kind is it Has it won anything Has it bred anything How old is it Has it been vaccinated Has it been treated for anything else Are hardly a Spanish Inquisition Try this ian Pigeon for sale.......I bought this pure white blue bar for Ian Gill. It is a four times winner, it has bred hundreds of winners, it is an 2007 bird Free to good home, just send £30 for Amtak and I will send it to you I am not willing to post my address due to internet security and someone on here might recognise me The other Fact you missed Webmaster did not start all these coxy related posts, in fact I do not think he started any. Members on the forum did I don't want a slagging match either but I wish it was as cut and dry as your quote but it isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Gill Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Ian I'll reply tomorrow, I assume you are referring to my posts about Timbarra Albear I wasnt referring to anyone or any particular post in either of my two posts ..more like generalising ..its got to the stage that when you read the for sales,it seems like there is some form of witch hunt taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Gill Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 The other Fact you missed Webmaster did not start all these coxy related posts, in fact I do not think he started any. Members on the forum did I don't want a slagging match either but I wish it was as cut abd dry as your quote but it isn't I think you will find if you read my original post that I said I have been reading the threads on this forum since Richard started the forum ..not this thread .. That example you gave..well personally speaking I would have read it the once and forgot about it poste haste.. Your quite entitled to ask questions when offered anything but when that turns to a slanging match I think the questions have gone a little to far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I think you will find if you read my original post that I said I have been reading the threads on this forum since Richard started the forum ..not this thread .. That example you gave..well personally speaking I would have read it the once and forgot about it poste haste.. Your quite entitled to ask questions when offered anything but when that turns to a slanging match I think the questions have gone a little to far Ok I apologise for the first part, but the site moves on from when Webmaster started it Take away the rediculousnes of the claims Would you not inform the members you were concerned about these claims if they were believable to others on the forum. Or would you just be happy with your quote when someone buys the pigeon I cant believe some of the stuff posted on here regarding the selling of pigeons ..you pays your money and takes your chances..as far as I can see that lad didnt hold a gun to anyones head to get money from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Gill Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Dovescot, Having concerns is one thing and you are to be commended for thinking of the other members of this site but concerns arnt proof or fact ..simple as !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Dovescot, Having concerns is one thing and you are to be commended for thinking of the other members of this site but concerns arnt proof or fact ..simple as !! Thanks, yes I do care stronly about others. Regards concerns Some of us that do have concerns backed up by fact, as you would looking at the hypothetical for sale post being believable. Surely you would put the facts straight or question them to avoid someone being ripped off :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbarra Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Perhaps people are at last beginning to realise that it,s false economy just to buy birds in for stock that are say brothers or sisters or sons or daughters of some champion or another and after buying these birds they realise that they are just not breeding anything any good.One seller on here seemed to be more concerned that his stock was one more generation down from the originals than someone else,s so offered the youngsters cheaper,my reply was what differance did it make if they were 10 generatoins from the originals so long as the birds are breeding winners,there was no responce so i guess the youngsters were being sold off birds that wern,t producing winners.Another seller on here just seems to give you loads of abuse when you ask questions about the birds being sold so thats another that I personally wont be buying off.I guess the thing is as many have said before is you pays your money and takes your chance,but i would allways tell anyone dont be swayed by fancy pedigrees or birds that have won multiple races because there is no more guarentee that those birds will breed you winners than birds that have done nothing. I agree with the thread, selling pigeons on here has become at times stupid beyond the practicality of it, I know you are refering to me PIGEON MAN when you say that some sellers give abuse, I get tired of irellevent questions about pigeons that are no longer for sale and irrellivent to the thread, I have done my best to explain things and even gave my nuber out so I can talk in person , and clear up any misunderstandings. ALSO as for a certain person selling birds cheaper than myself because they are a generation further down the pedigree !! I totally agree with you as I know the pigeons well and believe they will breed winners generation after generation, I personally think the gentleman should ask more, but they are affordable to the average joe at his prices , are they not? Most pigeon people , not all, want something for nothing and when you consider that certain fancierrs put alot of time , effort, and their own money into pigeons , i find it insulting that if you offer a pigeon for £40 someone offers you a £10 privately !!! thats the sort of people, pigeon people are !! not all but believe me most . A pigeon is not just a pigeon it is somebodys ideal and hard work. anyway you can all feel free to call me whenever , I wont hide and am not affraid to answer questions, I will also add I cull heavily I cull with an iron hand and nothing that is considered rubbish will be resold, thats not how i opperate, an example, I had 4 direct pigeons from Heesters Bothers Ruesel, Holland , and when they arrived I culled them . Why ? especially after I paid alot of money for them.. simple, they where rubbish !! I would hope that people who wanted to buy from me would consider myself trustworthy, they can approach me any time. regards spencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 I didnt post that to get into a slanging match with you but when your "FACTS" include people having to go through a spanish inquisiton when selling pigeons for 25 or 30 quid ,well its not right ..what do you think your buying at that price ?? A National winner?? Just what are these facts you mention ?? I think the above post hits the nail on the head in all this. Pigeon racing has changed, it is now more about monay and pedigree and the haves and have nots. The haves at times tend to treat the have nots with contempt. £20 or £30 to someone young or with a young family or an old git like me whose life turned upside down is, money you want to spend wisely, if you are well to do like perhaps then it is not such an issue. Ian my inclinations are socialist it is a prejudice that will never leave my veins, I say prejudice because I would never consider putting my X on the ballot sheet other than for Labour. I could not do it. In that respect when I see claims being made that cannot be substantiated, claims that the less experienced would not think twice about then I see it as my duty to try and protect them. Who am I to protect them? Well society at the moment, is quite contradictory isn't it. When you here something dreadful on the news, the comment will be made where were the neighbours, how did people not speak up. Politicians have become great at spin and this is even becoming the case at grass roots, people are learning if they gang together and 'attack' together, those complaining will shut up, they will be afraid and that allows them to continue. You see that's my problem I don't shut up. I have worked professionally (and I mean worked not counselled) on a one to one basis with paedophiles, rapists, con men, GBH boys and murderers many of them tried to intimidate but failed. Look at the birds I put for sale there were two that went for £20, the cock has bred winners, he bred me a good yearling this year, a yb to score this year and I only took two out of him this year and last (simply because Ihad over 30 pair of stock to breed from) but only one bid, in my estimation a bargain. But other birds with pedigrees as long as your arm going for 4 times that and unproven!! Why? Often because of 'spin'. Spencer, I can appreciate you want this all to finish, well so do I, but I have to make a few comments. Firstly this was not a feud. I have only on one occasion been personal, that was when I said perhaps you weren’t too bright, I am sorry for saying that it was out of order. In all my posts and this is pertinent to a comment you made Ian I did not slag any one off, you referred to a slanging match. I only asked for facts and on production of facts would apologise if I was wrong. Nothing has changed, my offer of apology was there. Someone mentioned history; let me put the facts right on this. Spencer contacted me out of the blue a few years back, saying he had a lot of knowledge on the eye and would like to share that knowledge with mine. I told him I was comfortable with my own and did not wish to share, that was it! Then on here he made some comments on the eye and was very disrespectful to Jack Barkel which I did take him to task over. That’s the history full stop. Spencer yes I’m happy to bury the hatchet and never raise this issue again. Time I think to let the buyer do his homework and keep my nose out! It has concerned me that this may damage the site; however they say all publicity is good publicity and it certainly has got people thinking!! But to the webmaster thank you for your tolerance and I hope it has not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Gill Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 I think the above post hits the nail on the head in all this. Pigeon racing has changed, it is now more about monay and pedigree and the haves and have nots. The haves at times tend to treat the have nots with contempt. £20 or £30 to someone young or with a young family or an old git like me whose life turned upside down is, money you want to spend wisely, if you are well to do like perhaps then it is not such an issue. I dont quite get your point Albear ?? I have not treated anyone with contempt or would ever do so and anyone who knows me will tell you that. Now you mention the fact of the pigeons you put for sale on this site..Well I too placed pigeons in the for sales at what I thought were a working mans price £30 each..these were young birds which were grandchildren of multiple winning birds or from pigeons that have bred multiple Fed winning pigeons that have cost me tens of thousands to aquire ..not paper pigeons but the genuine article. Now you may or may not know that I run a pigeon website,one that has been one of the most popular on the internet for nearly 7 years and I have never placed my own birds for sale on my own site !! Why?? Because I didnt think it appropriate to do so...I did not want to be seen to be taking advantage of the fact that I could have placed my birds in front of the thousands of fanciers using it...call me old fashioned or just plain stupid but thats the way I am(my friends think Im nuts) I have spent hours and hours placing sales lists and details of other peoples auctions on my site and for no reward ..all free ..yet I had a small auction myself last Monday night and I didnt even place the details of my own auction on my site. No one more than me Albear has the interests of the grassroots fancier at heart and I have spent every available minute of my time this last 8 years working to that end..so please dont try and tell me that I have shown contempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 I dont quite get your point Albear ?? I have not treated anyone with contempt or would ever do so and anyone who knows me will tell you that. Now you mention the fact of the pigeons you put for sale on this site..Well I too placed pigeons in the for sales at what I thought were a working mans price £30 each..these were young birds which were grandchildren of multiple winning birds or from pigeons that have bred multiple Fed winning pigeons that have cost me tens of thousands to aquire ..not paper pigeons but the genuine article. Now you may or may not know that I run a pigeon website,one that has been one of the most popular on the internet for nearly 7 years and I have never placed my own birds for sale on my own site !! Why?? Because I didnt think it appropriate to do so...I did not want to be seen to be taking advantage of the fact that I could have placed my birds in front of the thousands of fanciers using it...call me old fashioned or just plain stupid but thats the way I am(my friends think Im nuts) I have spent hours and hours placing sales lists and details of other peoples auctions on my site and for no reward ..all free ..yet I had a small auction myself last Monday night and I didnt even place the details of my own auction on my site. No one more than me Albear has the interests of the grassroots fancier at heart and I have spent every available minute of my time this last 8 years working to that end..so please dont try and tell me that I have shown contempt I didnt post that to get into a slanging match with you but when your "FACTS" include people having to go through a spanish inquisiton when selling pigeons for 25 or 30 quid ,well its not right ..what do you think your buying at that price ?? A National winner?? Ive been reading the threads on this forum since Richard started it and I cant believe some of the stuff posted on here regarding the selling of pigeons ..just because there was one bad apple doesnt mean that everyone selling pigeons should be tarred with the same brush and by the way you pays your money and takes your chance..as far as I can see that lad didnt hold a gun to anyones head to get money from them.Yet he still gets mentioned in every thread regarding the selling of pigeons. Then why make the above statements and demean anyone for asking questions or buying a £25-£30 bird Pigeon racing has become like any other part of life a status factor with some. See that pigeon I paid a grand for that, next thing you know one has to pay more to have a better status in order to have a better pigeon Same as football wages, housing, pedigree dogs, art work you name it people want to buy status or prestige :-/ As in my case no one put a gun to my head to buy 8 birds for £15 each, £120 + £40 Amtrak, so why should I moan and make such a fuss when I get ripped off, when someone can bin a zillion pound pigeon because it was not up to their standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Gill Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Dovescot, I say again I didnt demean anyone for asking legitimate questions but when the questions get nasty and of a personal nature then whats that all about?? Just exactly what is your point Dovescot?? Spit it out man and say what you mean.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Dovescot, I say again I didnt demean anyone for asking legitimate questions but when the questions get nasty and of a personal nature then whats that all about?? Just exactly what is your point Dovescot?? Spit it out man and say what you mean.. I think I have, anything specific you have in mind? Happy to answer :-/ A spade is a spade, no use calling it a shovel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Gill Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Then why make the above statements and demean anyone for asking questions or buying a £25-£30 bird Pigeon racing has become like any other part of life a status factor with some. See that pigeon I paid a grand for that, next thing you know one has to pay more to have a better status in order to have a better pigeon Same as football wages, housing, pedigree dogs, art work you name it people want to buy status or prestige :-/ As in my case no one put a gun to my head to buy 8 birds for £15 each, £120 + £40 Amtrak, so why should I moan and make such a fuss when I get ripped off, when someone can bin a zillion pound pigeon because it was not up to their standard. Are you saying that I buy pigeons for the status or prestige?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Ian sorry I was not trying to have a go at you, I was trying to make a genuine point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Are you saying that I buy pigeons for the status or prestige?? I didnt post that to get into a slanging match with you but when your "FACTS" include people having to go through a spanish inquisiton when selling pigeons for 25 or 30 quid ,well its not right ..what do you think your buying at that price ?? A National winner?? You are part of the status and prestige factor, in the fact you pay and command the high prices. Also as you stated you think that a £30 pigeon cannot be a national winner. Why becuase it never cost enough or someone hasn't the ability to turn it into one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 sorry guys weres this all leading to beg to differ n call it a day?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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