Kyleakin Lofts Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Ryan, Old Hand promoted standard Mendel's Theory line breeding. The theory still holds true. He also stated that close inbreeding could not be regarded as being close until that type of mating had continued for four generations. The most important factor in any breeding, but especially with all forms of line breeding, is to test the outcomes. The closer you breed, the stricter your culling has to be. Line / in breeding magnify the good points and allow a better prediction of outcome, but with all positives come a negative. It also magnifies the bad points, thus the need for stricter control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Ryan, Old Hand promoted standard Mendel's Theory line breeding. The theory still holds true. He also stated that close inbreeding could not be regarded as being close until that type of mating had continued for four generations. The most important factor in any breeding, but especially with all forms of line breeding, is to test the outcomes. The closer you breed, the stricter your culling has to be. Line / in breeding magnify the good points and allow a better prediction of outcome, but with all positives come a negative. It also magnifies the bad points, thus the need for stricter control. I may try it in the summer, pairing the old slatey cock with two of his winning daughters, and retain a cock from 1 pairing and a hen from the other. To put the theory to the test, however retain these for stock, and mate them the following year, and see how the offspring perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Historically distance fanciers protected their families only bringing crosses in very rarely. I have known every cross YB and the original pigeons being eradicated because they did not come up to scratch. The fancier I scraped out for could tell by the colour and sex of the pigeon whether it would race or breed or do both. He was never wrong within my memory of his predictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Great blog Ryan, really hope ye manage tae keep it going throughout the season to read your thoughts as the races approach every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Great blog Ryan, really hope ye manage tae keep it going throughout the season to read your thoughts as the races approach every week. I hope to buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymac Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Cracking photos Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted February 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Wednesday and Thursday saw heavy winds, with a lot of local damage, so obviously the birds stayed confined to the lofts. We started to get the yearlings used to taking the peanuts now, many are taking them from our hands already as a lot of lines in our family are very tame, anyhow and i think its a trait that can be passed down, but for sure the small sections makes the pigeons tame, as they have no choice as we are on top of them.Friday saw the birds fly just over the hour again. Today the race teams young birds will be weaned, and hopefully they are all independent by the time Walkers arrive on wednesday, for them to go to there new homes. They will be weaned onto 100% maples to make sure they take the large grains, as i feel this is an important life lesson early on as the small seed eaters in my experience are hesitant on the big grains, and generally ive found they are the first ones you tend to lose when going gets tough. My stock birds eggs all start hatching today with the last set to hatch on monday. When their young are weaned the first 3 days is 100% maples, then 3 days 100% maize, to reinforce that importance of big grains, and then a good breeding mix until i see them perching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 My thoughts wondered to the weight of a pigeon, something to be honest i have read little to nothing about......which i find strange as all racing animals are weighed and their weights published. Is the weight of pigeons a secret that the champions havent dared discuss? What is a birds ideal weight? Should different body structures be different weights? Many questions could be thrown in this process...i will weigh my birds if time permits this year, just to see if performance can be linked with it....does an individual pigeon have an ideal racing weight and when his at it he performs? Guess theres only one way to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymac Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Nigel Cowood is the man to contact for any of the information as to to weight of pigeons Ryan, might give you a guideline when it comes to weighing your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) Nigel Cowood is the man to contact for any of the information as to to weight of pigeons Ryan, might give you a guideline when it comes to weighing your own. :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle: Edited February 28, 2017 by geordie1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Burgess Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 My thoughts wondered to the weight of a pigeon, something to be honest i have read little to nothing about......which i find strange as all racing animals are weighed and their weights published. Is the weight of pigeons a secret that the champions havent dared discuss? What is a birds ideal weight? Should different body structures be different weights? Many questions could be thrown in this process...i will weigh my birds if time permits this year, just to see if performance can be linked with it....does an individual pigeon have an ideal racing weight and when his at it he performs? Guess theres only one way to find out. i seem to remember "old hand" done some work on this Ryan. although i cant remember which piece of work it was in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 In his 4th book, The Pigeon Racer, Old Hand looks at weight. It is, of course, extremely important.This is why we look for bouyant birds. Chapter 4 and 5 are the relevant chapters. He kept records to find the ideal weight for his individual pigeons. This was to find their winning weight.Although a lot of his thoughts may now be dated, some were very much ahead of their time and are still relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Said the same thing to Ryan last night regarding the winning weights... never read the book though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Said the same thing to Ryan last night regarding the winning weights... never read the book thoughSome say all shapes and sizes win......but somethings have to be constant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Some say all shapes and sizes win......but somethings have to be constant100% Stevie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glencameron Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 J W Langstone used to weigh his pigeons. pre and post races. We are dating back to the 1950's but there were always historically fanciers thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Birds diet since saturday is 100% barley, small ration in the morning and as much as they require of an evening. They are exercising very well with the hens giving an 1hr 30 mins exercise today being out of sight completely for 40 minutes. The birds are dropping down like snow at the moment but that will be the effect of the barley. Cocks are bouncing and wanting to exercise at any given opportunity you can see the nervous energy in them. The sound of the loft is like a behive, and the loft is full of energy. We are starting to see who the boss pigeons are in there sections now and will be interesting to see if the bosses are the better ones at the end of the season. The birds are currently on an extensive course of naturals naturaline right up until two weeks before the first race, emphasis now is to get all the winter down away, and that with the barley at the moment is having a good effect. My own young birds will start ringing on the weekend, and something i picked up from freddy vandenheede was the use of teas and sedochol on the darkness youngsters regular, it was something i done last year for 5 out of 7 days while on the darkening period and was very happy with the results, so will order my sedochol from tollisan soon, so it is ready for weaning. With the loft coming and other things as said before has put us behind by a number of weeks, my plan next season already is to pair earlier then i have done previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIK Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 this is going to be a great blog. Well done Ryan...will keep lookin in. thanks Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froog Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Wednesday and Thursday saw heavy winds, with a lot of local damage, so obviously the birds stayed confined to the lofts. We started to get the yearlings used to taking the peanuts now, many are taking them from our hands already as a lot of lines in our family are very tame, anyhow and i think its a trait that can be passed down, but for sure the small sections makes the pigeons tame, as they have no choice as we are on top of them.Friday saw the birds fly just over the hour again. Today the race teams young birds will be weaned, and hopefully they are all independent by the time Walkers arrive on wednesday, for them to go to there new homes. They will be weaned onto 100% maples to make sure they take the large grains, as i feel this is an important life lesson early on as the small seed eaters in my experience are hesitant on the big grains, and generally ive found they are the first ones you tend to lose when going gets tough. My stock birds eggs all start hatching today with the last set to hatch on monday. When their young are weaned the first 3 days is 100% maples, then 3 days 100% maize, to reinforce that importance of big grains, and then a good breeding mix until i see them perching.What do you feed them once they are perching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted March 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 What do you feed them once they are perching? Froog, Once they are perching, young birds go onto a light diet, anything with upto 40% Barley or Depurative, i am not to fussed, Frank Taskers mix was the best for getting birds up in the air quickly and this is what i want to achieve but buying single grains to make a mix is a problem for me for storage. So i will buy any mix i like generally something not heavy in protein and find its not to long that they know what their wings are for, and same procedure for them 3 weeks flying strong around home and into the basket. These will be started extremely short they could have anything upto 8 to 10 tosses from a mile, till its drummed in their heads basket, home feed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froog Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 Thank you for your reply, your blog is excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Interesting you mention the Boss birds Ryan. Over the years I've noticed when the Boss goes down another Ck will rise up and start putting good performances in that were nowhere to be seen before the alpha male went done. Ps. Enjoying yer blog 👠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Interesting you mention the Boss birds Ryan. Over the years I've noticed when the Boss goes down another Ck will rise up and start putting good performances in that were nowhere to be seen before the alpha male went done. Ps. Enjoying yer blog ðŸ‘Sorry for cutting into this blog / thread. But a couple of years ago now when I got customised hoppers made I was amazed watching the pigeons that there was a pecking order. Every day is a school day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted March 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) Interesting you mention the Boss birds Ryan. Over the years I've noticed when the Boss goes down another Ck will rise up and start putting good performances in that were nowhere to be seen before the alpha male went done. Ps. Enjoying yer blog ������ Yes john, there is always someone waiting in line to show his dominance, it becomes even greater when the boss bird returns, then some rivalaries can really kick off. Territory is the biggest motivation in pigeons, when you can play on it, you can make the birds tick and they'll go through anything to reclaim it. I already have a mental note on which bird hates who in the lofts, and now with the smaller sections ive noticed the instinct for territory to be even greater. Edited March 4, 2017 by Wiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 The quality of Versele laga barley is second to none in my opinion, and is bringing the birds into fantastic order they are under no rations at the minute with the evening feed being as much barley as they require. The hens will fly anything between 1hr 30 minutes to 1hr 45. However they will listen, and will trap with our call. Consequently the cocks are a different ball game, they are really rank now and as i said the loft is full of excitement. They will exercise 1hr 15 to 1hr 20 mins and are a joy to watch, flying backwards and forwards across the east london sky. To which they will land on the pitch of the loft roof, and run the 30ft cooing until they explode again for about another 20 minutes. To which we do try to call them in but they repeat the same time explosion. This will change when the basket comes out. Saw an interesting post on basics regarding water and how people allow it to stand. This is something we have done for years we have 7 two litre bottles that we have in a line that are used in rotation. Once one bottle is used it goes to the back of the queue. This is only ever done with our racers. After two to three weeks the bottles are thrown and replaced with new ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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