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Posted 17 February 2017 - 17:29 PM

I have decided to create my own blog, as i think what Peterpandy and JohnQuinn provide with theirs makes very enjoyable viewing for the reader and also for the writer/photographer. Now i am not saying mine will be anything on their level, but hopefully you guys can join me on my new journey.

Now the name of the blog is Intensity, Integrity and Intelligance. Why? It is just three traits i like to see in my pigeons, as well as three promises i like to offer up to my hobbie....however maybe not so much on the intelligance side. ^_^

Now, the race programme for my federation has been set, and giving the date of the first race being the 8th April from Peterborough, being roughly 74 miles to the loft. Alot of work has been going on around the garden roughly since October as we demolished our old racing lofts, and Ecco Lofts installed a new 30ft x 8 loft for us. This is the complete set up, and houses our stock, young birds, race hens and race cocks. With the new loft being errected it put the whole system out of place really and we are slightly behind on our usual schedule by roughly 2-3 weeks. It will be also interesting to see with a new loft, how the performance is affected, but thats something that will make this blog of interest i hope!

Now the last week or so, has seen us building sets of brick steps infront on the lofts to make access better. Consequently with the construction going on, you may have guessed the temperatures have risen also this week with an average of about 11 degrees and rainfall has been at a minimum, compared to last weeks -4 and snow showers. With this change in weather we've also been setting in some routine as we are roughly 8 weeks out from the first race.

The 16 pair of widowhood cocks and hens, still have young birds in the nest, and are starting to just give each other the eye, so i will start to think about seperating the young birds over with the hens, and when i am confident they are eating will be reasy for dispatch to there new owners. The reason why i will seperate the hens and young birds is because we do not allow our hens to go down again, and although some of the young wont be of the required 21 days, the team of hens will do an excellant job in mothering them.

As i said earlier we are 2-3 weeka really behind schedule, and over the last 4 days we have started to let the race birds out routinely. Currently we are on day 4 of regular exercise, i must add that they are never forced to fly. The first day of letting out they produced a respectful 30 mins, Day 2 35 mins, Day 3 50 mins and today again 50 minutes. So far so good. Both sexes go out together, as the young birds have reached an age that the parents feel they dont need to sit so regular. Hopefully we will be where i want the team to be come 8th March.

Obviously feeding wise the birds are not measured at the moment they take as they require of 3 different mixes at different times during the day. They also get a good selection of grits, clay blocks and matrix daily, as well as a good helping of lettuce ever two days. Lewis McCalley put me onto pink minerals, something ive never gave my birds, but its something ive been doing while rearing this year, and ive been dampening the corn with a garlic, onion and elderberry tonic every two days, an drying the feed with the pink minerals. I am unsure if i will do the same process in my stock loft regarding the pink minerals and tonic. But with the stock sitting i still have time to weigh up my decision.

One thing i have noticed, and is something i have been considering for sometime now is that Canker treatments are not needed as much as once thought. Previously treating for canker was always done here for peace of mind, wed treat for it because we read every where that they have to be but my opinion has changed, much like it had many years ago regarding cocci and worms.

Go against the grain, do your own thing, it will either surprise you, or bite you on the ar$e, time will tell!! But at least you can say you done it your way!!

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 17:46 PM

Look forward to more of this Mr Sinatra. Is it the intelligent pigeons that home to be sent again, or are they the fools? :D
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Posted 17 February 2017 - 17:48 PM

View PostWiley, on 17 February 2017 - 16:29 PM, said:

I have decided to create my own blog, as i think what Peterpandy and JohnQuinn provide with theirs makes very enjoyable viewing for the reader and also for the writer/photographer. Now i am not saying mine will be anything on their level, but hopefully you guys can join me on my new journey.

Now the name of the blog is Intensity, Integrity and Intelligance. Why? It is just three traits i like to see in my pigeons, as well as three promises i like to offer up to my hobbie....however maybe not so much on the intelligance side. ^_^

Now, the race programme for my federation has been set, and giving the date of the first race being the 8th April from Peterborough, being roughly 74 miles to the loft. Alot of work has been going on around the garden roughly since October as we demolished our old racing lofts, and Ecco Lofts installed a new 30ft x 8 loft for us. This is the complete set up, and houses our stock, young birds, race hens and race cocks. With the new loft being errected it put the whole system out of place really and we are slightly behind on our usual schedule by roughly 2-3 weeks. It will be also interesting to see with a new loft, how the performance is affected, but thats something that will make this blog of interest i hope!

Now the last week or so, has seen us building sets of brick steps infront on the lofts to make access better. Consequently with the construction going on, you may have guessed the temperatures have risen also this week with an average of about 11 degrees and rainfall has been at a minimum, compared to last weeks -4 and snow showers. With this change in weather we've also been setting in some routine as we are roughly 8 weeks out from the first race.

The 16 pair of widowhood cocks and hens, still have young birds in the nest, and are starting to just give each other the eye, so i will start to think about seperating the young birds over with the hens, and when i am confident they are eating will be reasy for dispatch to there new owners. The reason why i will seperate the hens and young birds is because we do not allow our hens to go down again, and although some of the young wont be of the required 21 days, the team of hens will do an excellant job in mothering them.

As i said earlier we are 2-3 weeka really behind schedule, and over the last 4 days we have started to let the race birds out routinely. Currently we are on day 4 of regular exercise, i must add that they are never forced to fly. The first day of letting out they produced a respectful 30 mins, Day 2 35 mins, Day 3 50 mins and today again 50 minutes. So far so good. Both sexes go out together, as the young birds have reached an age that the parents feel they dont need to sit so regular. Hopefully we will be where i want the team to be come 8th March.

Obviously feeding wise the birds are not measured at the moment they take as they require of 3 different mixes at different times during the day. They also get a good selection of grits, clay blocks and matrix daily, as well as a good helping of lettuce ever two days. Lewis McCalley put me onto pink minerals, something ive never gave my birds, but its something ive been doing while rearing this year, and ive been dampening the corn with a garlic, onion and elderberry tonic every two days, an drying the feed with the pink minerals. I am unsure if i will do the same process in my stock loft regarding the pink minerals and tonic. But with the stock sitting i still have time to weigh up my decision.

One thing i have noticed, and is something i have been considering for sometime now is that Canker treatments are not needed as much as once thought. Previously treating for canker was always done here for peace of mind, wed treat for it because we read every where that they have to be but my opinion has changed, much like it had many years ago regarding cocci and worms.

Go against the grain, do your own thing, it will either surprise you, or bite you on the ar$e, time will tell!! But at least you can say you done it your way!!

Wow 30 mins straight out the loft. Mine ain't been out since October but their time looms......30 mins won't be happening lol.....I don't get 30 mins out of mine in June.........best of luck am sure you won't need it

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 17:54 PM

Go for it boy your young and full of enthusiasm ,I hope the year too follow will be of great success and bring you such joy with your birds . May you Aimee and Alfie have good health and enjoyment throughout the year with the birds . ARABEST MATE Your friend Harry
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Posted 17 February 2017 - 17:58 PM

View Postdal2, on 17 February 2017 - 17:48 PM, said:

Wow 30 mins straight out the loft. Mine ain't been out since October but their time looms......30 mins won't be happening lol.....I don't get 30 mins out of mine in June.........best of luck am sure you won't need it


Dal, this wasnt the first time out for the year my friend, they was going out 2-3 time per week previously weather permitting, since the new loft was errected, as they needed to get used to the new loft, however now the routine has to kick in, as the season looms close.....
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Posted 17 February 2017 - 18:01 PM

View Postrembrant2coo, on 17 February 2017 - 17:54 PM, said:

Go for it boy your young and full of enthusiasm ,I hope the year too follow will be of great success and bring you such joy with your birds . May you Aimee and Alfie have good health and enjoyment throughout the year with the birds . ARABEST MATE Your friend Harry


Thank you harry, i will give you a call on sunday if you are about buddy?
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Posted 17 February 2017 - 18:38 PM

Im looking forward to reading your blog Ryan, itll be something refreshing to hear your ideas, all the best with it. :smiling-scarecrow-329:
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Posted 17 February 2017 - 18:43 PM

i agree with you Peter and John writings are great reading . will look forward to your fresh approach Ryan :emoticon-0137-clapping:
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Posted 17 February 2017 - 18:44 PM

View PostWiley, on 17 February 2017 - 16:58 PM, said:

Dal, this wasnt the first time out for the year my friend, they was going out 2-3 time per week previously weather permitting, since the new loft was errected, as they needed to get used to the new loft, however now the routine has to kick in, as the season looms close.....

Thanks fook for that lol......you feel free to give us the MODERN WAY in this time where the oldies are getting sentimental for corn in brown paper bags bought by the stone and no losses on a Saturday lol

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 19:36 PM

View Postdal2, on 17 February 2017 - 18:44 PM, said:

Thanks fook for that lol......you feel free to give us the MODERN WAY in this time where the oldies are getting sentimental for corn in brown paper bags bought by the stone and no losses on a Saturday lol

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 20:58 PM

Keep it coming Ryan :emoticon-0157-sun:

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 23:02 PM

be good to see your views in your blog ryan look forward to it,,
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Posted 18 February 2017 - 00:36 AM

Good idea Ryan, will be a great insight for members to how you work day to day with yer team. 👍
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Posted 18 February 2017 - 01:37 AM

Glad to see a top fancier does not blanket treat :drinking-coffee-200:

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 01:51 AM

View PostWiley, on 18 February 2017 - 01:30 AM, said:

Billy, i will be honest with you, my doos are treated for paratyphus every year without fail, and my birds are treated against respiratory, and yeast infections, and the annual innoculation for pmv. But regarding cocci, worms and canker, my experience has show me otherwise. I will delve further on medicine at a later date. Sorry if my thread will be a dissappointment to yourself!


Adding to this i will also add that i have dropping samples, taken a number of times of the year, and sent of to my vetinery, who will make a culture, and on the back of the results he gives, i will act on it. I will describe later on the process i follow when taking droppings for analysis.

This is done over a 5 day period and the pots are kept in the refrigerator over this time. Droppings are taken as early as possible in the day, even better when it is still dark. When 5 days sample have been collected they are sent of.


I will even do the tests even after a good performance.

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 06:11 AM

Enjoyed reading your first blog Ryan, looking forward to all the updates :smiling-scarecrow-329:
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Posted 18 February 2017 - 07:09 AM

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Ryan, I've been watching the richard turner dvd and he feeds "diet" on a Friday for fats/carbs. I assumed this was more like a depurative, which i found it isn't. I was thinking of doing the same this year. I usually feed Versele Laga Superstar.
Do you feed "diat" of any kind or have you any thoughts on it.


The above is a private message from a fancier, that i felt would be a good topic to discuss in the blog.

Firstly, i believe in fats over carbs. In my opinion it is the best source of energy for a pigeon. It seems to be common knowledge in this day and age that carbs are fast burning energy, while fats are the secondary source of energy and are slow burning, hence meaning carbs provide a quick immediate energy source that is depleted very quickly, and that fats start to burn when the carbs are burnt out first to provide the body with valuable energy.

Now many will look at the depurative mixtures and the Diet mixtures and notice many have similar ingredients. However the difference being the amount of Wheat and Barley used (in a good diet mix there will be no White pigeon barley as versele laga will call it.) Both mixes play their part in a feeding system, and can be even used together if you was unsure on measures to feed pigeons, as the barley and wheat content of the depurative would give you good control over your rations, byring you fed a little at a time, until they started to leave the barley.

Depurative's goal is to provide something that can detoxify the system, and the fibre content of the grain also helps with detoxing, and it will also provide high carb content, which is why the widowhood bibles, where big favourites of it on return from a race. While a diet mixture goal is to provide grains important for fat storage.

Now do i feed a diet mixture when racing, yes their is a measure of diet mixture in my grain 7 days a week, and especially on a Thursday evening, and a Friday morning, when i offer my birds all they require that measure can be upto 75%. I believe in fat loading, in comparrison to the traditional widowhood way of carb loading. But take into consideration that my birds are constantly being provided a fat source from the grain, as well as the tit bits i give my pigeons. My pigeons return from exercise to a pinch of hemp in their boxes, and after every feed my pigeons are fed 2 peanuts each. The hemp and peanuts measures increase drastic when racing distance racing and some days the birds could eat 10-15 nuts a day.

Interestingly, Geoff Kirkland i believe is a big believer in a diet mix before his distance flights 2-3 days before basketing, so when they are in the baskets their interest would then be in consuming the carb sources provided in the basket.

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 07:27 AM

Interesting reading Ryan, I also prefer fats rather than carbs especially with the Ybs.
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Posted 18 February 2017 - 08:18 AM

Have you ever dropped peanuts from the feed?

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 12:00 PM

Dal, i did have a time when i was experimenting with the feed, and at the time Frank Tasker was a big advocate of sunflower hearts and i did try them, however I personally didnt like them as the birds didnt have the bond as they do with peanuts....birds will go through fire once they get the taste of peanuts, and its something we use to bond with our pigeons. The birds must take the peanut out of our hands in their boxes.Consequently i am toying with the idea of using sunflower hearts once again but as the distance races come along, which i will discuss as they approach.

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