Salmonella

[Roland]

University of Texas just announced they have made a vaccine for Salmonella. Not yet commercially available.

 

Also ... Apparently Henk DeWeerd developed a probiotic mix (Para Control Boost) that is as good, if not better, than vaccination against Salmonella. That is if I read it right and that would fit with the experiment done many years ago in Munich. There some scientists measured the antibody titre against salmonella in racing pigeons and the common street pigeons. Then it was the racing pigeons that had high titres of antibodies against salmonella much more often than the common street pigeons. This is taken as evidence that racing pigeons are much more often infected with salmonella than street pigeons who may be protected by a much more robust intestinal microbiome. After all their keeper is not likely to mix antibiotics into their drinking water thereby destroying parts of this biome.

 

Taken from the Alberta Classic.

[lanarkshire lad]

University of Texas just announced they have made a vaccine for Salmonella. Not yet commercially available.

 

Also ... Apparently Henk DeWeerd developed a probiotic mix (Para Control Boost) that is as good, if not better, than vaccination against Salmonella. That is if I read it right and that would fit with the experiment done many years ago in Munich. There some scientists measured the antibody titre against salmonella in racing pigeons and the common street pigeons. Then it was the racing pigeons that had high titres of antibodies against salmonella much more often than the common street pigeons. This is taken as evidence that racing pigeons are much more often infected with salmonella than street pigeons who may be protected by a much more robust intestinal microbiome. After all their keeper is not likely to mix antibiotics into their drinking water thereby destroying parts of this biome.

 

Taken from the Alberta Classic.

A vaccine for salmonella is nothing new there is a a couple on the market dr van der sluis has salmo PT on the go for years.

[Wiley]

Henk also tried to get the license for the american produced SalBac vaccine years ago also.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Chevivac does one for it as well.

[Roland]

https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/general/diagnosis.html

 

 Learn more about the importance of serotyping and CDC’s Salmonella Atlas, the first-of-its-kind report that charts over 40 years of laboratory-confirmed surveillance data on 32 Salmonella serotypes.

 

So one drop of whatever has a broad spectrum to cure all. ETC. ETC. Good read all.

[philg50]

For the un educated how do you know your birds has this disease opposed to any other illness,on one hand we complain about vaccination for Pmv then on the other look for new vaccine for something else ,god help us we are our own worst enemy IMO

[REDCHEQHEN]

philg50 - you would have to have them tested by a vet (usually 5 days of droppings) and have a culture done

[William Reid]

philg50 - you would have to have them tested by a vet (usually 5 days of droppings) and have a culture done

Have to disagree. Just watch/ look at yir Doos and they will show you everything needed.

Can't understand why pigeon peeps think evaluation in pigeons has surpassed everything else on the planet

[Ian McKay]

Test Kits available here

 

http://www.avianbiotech.com/diseases/salmonella.htm

[Jim hannah]

University of Texas just announced they have made a vaccine for Salmonella. Not yet commercially available.

 

Also ... Apparently Henk DeWeerd developed a probiotic mix (Para Control Boost) that is as good, if not better, than vaccination against Salmonella. That is if I read it right and that would fit with the experiment done many years ago in Munich. There some scientists measured the antibody titre against salmonella in racing pigeons and the common street pigeons. Then it was the racing pigeons that had high titres of antibodies against salmonella much more often than the common street pigeons. This is taken as evidence that racing pigeons are much more often infected with salmonella than street pigeons who may be protected by a much more robust intestinal microbiome. After all their keeper is not likely to mix antibiotics into their drinking water thereby destroying parts of this biome.

 

Taken from the Alberta Classic.

Ian, the cost of Para Control Boost is £70 for 100ml

[Guest IB]

Its a long time since I read up on Salmonella but I do remember that there were around 200 different strains only a couple of which cause Paratyphoid. I remember thinking at the time that the 'cow pox' vaccine principal of being exposed to one of the harmless strains would probably confer immunity against the big boys. Another useless bit of info I picked up was that salmonella and e-coli 'split' from the same microbe 200 million years ago, so have similar characteristics that they use to fool the immune system, and can swap genes with each other. e-coli falls into the same boat, very few strains cause illness, and e-coli makes up 50% of the human good gut bacteria.

[Roland]

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/salmonella-guidance-data-and-analysis I found the add on parts very interesting too

Now if they have found a cure em-block GREAT!

[Guest peter4pm]

Have to disagree. Just watch/ look at yir Doos and they will show you everything needed.

Can't understand why pigeon peeps think evaluation in pigeons has surpassed everything else on the planet

 

 

Agree mate its a matter of keeping your eyes peeled on your birds!!

[vicsongod]

Salmonella is not a joke...

Have a look at the following links, yes you have to read, but if you are interested in the health of your pigeons its worth to spend 15 min, reading them.

95% of the active racing loft have or has been in touch with salmonella.

Some facts.

Salmonella enterica, subsp. enterica, serovar typhimurium, variant copenhagen is the serotype that affects pigeons, here under I just call it Salmonella.

Salmonella is not spread by rodents.

Salmonella in pigeons its a strain that only affects pigeons, only transmitted by pigeons to pigeons, ferals, racing, homing, etc, any type of pigeon

Salmonella its a intra cell disease, meaning, the white blood cells protecting the body will eat-engulf the bacteria, during that period the antibiotic is worthless, the white blood cell is protecting the bacteria against the antibiotic, at the time the white blood cell died, the bacteria is released again into the blood stream... isn't it great??? that is the main reason why long periods of antibiotics are required...

During the medication time, the loft has to be disinfected with F-10, Virkon.

Salmonella can survive and multiply in the environment.

Salmonella prefers an alkaline environment. Water with apple cyder vinegar, etc, will acidified the environment helping to control the salmonella numbers...make you a favor, buy you the PH tester papers, and use them in the pigeons drinking water, you will be amaze on the amount of apple cider vinegar needed to lower the PH.

Quarantine is a must for new incomers to the loft

Racing...arghhhhh, yes its one if not the main source of infection. Basketing, racing and all the stress involved during competitions makes an excellent terrain for the salmonella to grow and spread.

 

There is more...please go through the links below...its worth, if you love your pigeons and you enjoy the hobby, its worth to spend some time reading these two links, they will give you a better understanding on how salmonella works and how to combat it.

KISS, keep it simple...F10 or Virkon, every time you clean your loft and perches...use probiotics (Salgard is highly recommended...difficult to find in small presentations), acidify the water...use PH testers. if you are going to cure, isolate the sick bird and use Sulpha AVS, rather than antibiotic...if you are going to use antibiotic, enrofloxacine works fine or sulphur based antibiotics x 14 days. The bin could be your best friend against doubt...unless you are talking of a valuable/probed specimen then is worth to do the effort.

 

http://www.melbournebirdvet.com/salmonella.aspx

 

http://www.pigeonvaccinelab.com/Info_Prevention_Treatment.html

[Roland]

Might also mention, as quoted via atop Avian vet (Now sadly retired) Dropping WON'T show up salmonella.

Now many may spout up here and say 'Poppy Cock' etc. But then maybe they should think on just who and what vet says other wise.

All I know further, having spoke to some vets, not many have an inkling regards Avian and how to find and treat But MOST know how to spin a yarn and take your money lol. JMO

[REDCHEQHEN]

vicsongod - you mentioned in your post pH

 

2ml of Osmonds enviroboost to 2 litres of water brings the pH down to 2.8

 

15ml of cider vinegar to 2 litres of water brings the pH down to 3.5

 

(the lower the number the more acidic the liquid is)

 

I personally don't think that is a lot of cider vinegar, and I think the pH levels are adequate

 

Salmonella IS a problem, but I don't think the majority of pigeon fanciers think it will affect them.

 

The surprising thing is that most pigeon fanciers believe that other pigeon fanciers only send healthy pigeons.....

and nothing could be further from the truth - especially with young birds

[greenlands]

I worked as a maintenance engineer at a local dairy for 20 + years which had it's own effluent plant,before any water could be drained into the local river there were several check/test and stop spots.The water was crystal clear 7 ph and probably of better quality than the river BUT to bring pigeons drinking water down to 2.8 ph and expect them to drink it is beyond me.Put a drop of the neat stuff on the back of your hand and it will take the skin off. Hydrochloric is 1.01 would you give them that to drink ?? :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[REDCHEQHEN]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

 

Gastric acid is one of the main secretions of the stomach. It consists mainly of hydrochloric acid and acidifies the stomach content to a pH of 1 to 2.[31][32]

 

Chloride (Cl−) and hydrogen (H+) ions are secreted separately in the stomach fundus region at the top of the stomach by parietal cells of the gastric mucosa into a secretory network called canaliculi before it enters the stomach lumen.[33]

 

Gastric acid acts as a barrier against microorganisms to prevent infections and is important for the digestion of food. Its low pH denatures proteins and thereby makes them susceptible to degradation by digestive enzymes such as pepsin. The low pH also activates the enzyme precursor pepsinogen into the active enzyme pepsin by self-cleavage. After leaving the stomach, the hydrochloric acid of the chyme is neutralized in the duodenum by sodium bicarbonate.[31]

 

The stomach itself is protected from the strong acid by the secretion of a thick mucus layer, and by secretin induced buffering with sodium bicarbonate. Heartburn or peptic ulcers can develop when these mechanisms fail. Drugs of the antihistaminic and proton pump inhibitor classes can inhibit the production of acid in the stomach, and antacids are used to neutralize existing acid.[31][34]

[vicsongod]

Redchequen,

Yes you are right, I use 35ml on a 3.5 lts drinker and I get like 4.0 on PH...I normally add 150ml of Enviroboost to 1lt of apple cider vinegar and that is what I use in the drinking water.

I think that the worst thing are the carriers, those pigeon that look great but they are salmonella carriers...

Anyway...Vive la Salmonella!!!! that is a neighbor problem, not mine...all my pigeons look great!!!, hmmmm

I have three pigeons that I am sure they have salmonella, one died yesterday, a very good stock bird...the other two, their feces are green, pallid green, they have lost weight, one of them has one foot like bumble foot, hardly can put weight on it, I have injected them with .3ml of enrofloxacine (baytril) for one week, every day...they were exactly in the same situation not going worst not improving, since two days ago I decided to give them only trimethoprim , one quarter of a tablet per day, they both look a little better, its hard to find such a medication, Mercasystem has a product that has it, Antimicina.

I insist, the best way is to prevent it, disinfect, clean (dont take me wrong, my loft has easy bed on it, I change the top every week, and I spray on top a solution with F10 diluted).

The utilization of products like the Salgar or similar, I think will do the job.

Salgar (I just read about his product) kills the salmonella in 95% in 24 hours, it only works on the guts of the bird and in the environment, its not absorbed to the blood stream which means it wont kill the bacteria once is establish in other organs or on the blood stream and promotes the good bacteria, much like a probiotic with the peculiarity that effectively kills gram negative bacteria like the salmonella. Its a daily product, using it everyday you assure that no salmonella will be established in your flock and will promote good health in the pigeons. The recommended doses is 2 gr per kg of food, which means one kg of this product will do 500kg of corn, the bad news is that the smallest presentation is 25 kg (12500 kgs of corn), two years of product.

I would love to hear any other ideas or methods on how to deal with Salmonella....that will help me and other fanciers...I am quite sure there is a lot of experience in this forum...

I have been in Scotland for 4 years now, I have seen and handled a lot of very nice pigeons and every year I have seen a lot of losses, my guess is that not all the birds are healthy and poor health is one of the main reasons of the quantity of looses and not the quality of the birds.

People spend enormous amounts of money acquiring excellent wining blood, and still the looses are quite high, are the birds rubbish?, I dont think so, but the handling I think its not at the same level as the quality of the birds.

[Tony C]

Discussed at length here http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/topic/16879-paratyphoid-can-it-be-stopped/page__hl__Salmonella