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[peter pandy]

Still not paired up as I decided to try a different method and if National racing has to be postponed due to whatever reason yet to be conjured up by the frogs I will wait and see.

Lockdown has proved that we humans are not mentally prepared for isolation and conversation on phones or SKYPE are no substitute for face to face dialogue.

My resident Magpies have nested in my neighbours tree and Crows seem to have parked themselves in the garden under the bird feeder which appears to have been a bit of a deterrent as the colony are content to put in a good shift peaceably when given their liberty.

Hopefully racing will commence now that "Wee Burnie" has seen fit to allow us weans a wee bit of freedom to go and not vote for hur. Tic..

 

Take Care, and wear a Mask.

[peter pandy]

With racing commencing, this week saw me basket 16 yearling Cocks for a 15 mile toss on Monday with full returns. Wednesday had me basket the same 16 for a twenty miler and disaster ensued with only 3 returning on the day, Thursday another 3 turned up throughout the day and Friday 2 put in an appearance, So it will only be the Wednesday arrivals which will be going to-night to Stobbs Camp.

My only wish now is I be reincarnated as an EAGLE OWL..

[dal2]

With racing commencing, this week saw me basket 16 yearling Cocks for a 15 mile toss on Monday with full returns. Wednesday had me basket the same 16 for a twenty miler and disaster ensued with only 3 returning on the day, Thursday another 3 turned up throughout the day and Friday 2 put in an appearance, So it will only be the Wednesday arrivals which will be going to-night to Stobbs Camp.

My only wish now is I be reincarnated as an EAGLE OWL..

Latebreds?

[peter pandy]

Latebreds?

50/50 Raced and Latebreds Steve.

[peter pandy]

3 from 3 out of Stobbs Camp so cannot complain, A bit of sad news to-day with the news of an old friend passing away, Ex Celtic player Frank Brogan who graced Parkhead many moons ago aged 79 R.I.P.

[peter pandy]

4 Training tosses + 2 Races = Losses 24, Damaged Birds making it home, 2 without tails, 2 with injuries to legs, 1 with side cut. The Race team has without doubt been hammered at every occasion when basketed and it is heart breaking when favourites fail to return.

Is there an answer to the dilemma ??, I do not think so with the protection wildlife now has.

[philg50]

2 tosses x 15 miles ,2 tosses 17 mile ,2 tosses 15 mile different direction ,1 toss 30 mile ,1 race 58 miles, I started with 32 I now have 22 birds bought in first tae go ,late breds 2nd tae go .Now ready for Saturday race i am looking for a window some time Saturday morning ,the joys of putting birds good luck everyone.

[andy Burgess]

3 from 3 out of Stobbs Camp so cannot complain, A bit of sad news to-day with the news of an old friend passing away, Ex Celtic player Frank Brogan who graced Parkhead many moons ago aged 79 R.I.P.

 

 

4 Training tosses + 2 Races = Losses 24, Damaged Birds making it home, 2 without tails, 2 with injuries to legs, 1 with side cut. The Race team has without doubt been hammered at every occasion when basketed and it is heart breaking when favourites fail to return.Is there an answer to the dilemma ??, I do not think so with the protection wildlife now has.

 

quite a change in a 2 week period . good luck with the remaining birds Peter .

[peter pandy]

4th June saw me enter 5 to Melton Mowbury with 1 returning and 6 to Huntingdon with 3 returning so decided that was enough 2021 racing from this loft.

2021 Season saw me start with a race team of 47 and finish with 15. I don't believe I have ever lost so many Birds that were trained well, Handled well and were super fit.

If their is an answer to the losses apart from Peri strikes where they usually turn up the next day however not in my case, Jeez it does my head in trying to figure it out.

The remaining inmates are now rearing a young bird team of 2 rounds which will bring the loft back up to Winter numbers of around 50 which is a manageable figure for an auld age penshunner.

Hope all goes well with the remaining programme to one and all..

[peter dempsey]

Peter its the same everywhere no accounting for the number of losses black friday black saturday every day is a black day I have never lost so many birds in my lifetime flying pigeons

kindest regards to all hope you are having better luck than I am having

[peter pandy]

Well, Birds returning from racing now number 18 and only 6 have returned without injuries so what to do, or, should it be, what can we do !!.

I had posted a reply and accidentally sent it to another site so no doubt Basic members will have read it.

Over the last couple of months I have been rearing my team of youngsters and experimenting to see if it is possible to rear a lighter framed bird as better fanciers than I have remarked that they look excellent but a bit heavy, which to be honest, I thought they were superb. Before some reply "Show Doos" !!, their lines are from Long Distance winning lofts. I do not know if the result will be successful as only racing proves the proof of the pudding.

[andy Burgess]

good to see you back posting Peter . how on earth do you go about breeding "lighter framed" pigeons ? a diffrent feeding i can see them reducing body weight but ,,,

[peter pandy]

Cheers Andy, I should have wrote Muscle instead of "Framed" as it is known that the skeleton of a pigeon is 20 times lighter than the body weight, If we look at athletes, we find sprinters are tall and with plenty muscle,, milers are medium build, and marathon runners do not have a pick on them. So where does the stamina and energy come from, I suppose it is a secret top fanciers will not dispense with so will have to return to Eddy Newcombe's feeding method excluding Beans and "Wee Mary" will just have to open her purse a wee bit more.

[andy Burgess]

Cheers Andy, I should have wrote Muscle instead of "Framed" as it is known that the skeleton of a pigeon is 20 times lighter than the body weight, If we look at athletes, we find sprinters are tall and with plenty muscle,, milers are medium build, and marathon runners do not have a pick on them. So where does the stamina and energy come from, I suppose it is a secret top fanciers will not dispense with so will have to return to Eddy Newcombe's feeding method excluding Beans and "Wee Mary" will just have to open her purse a wee bit more.

 

poor Mary

[peter pandy]

September already !, How time flies when you are having fun "NOT", 

My second round of Late breeds are about ready to leave the nest and join the First Round which are putting in a good shift and a delight to watch, The breeding and rearing programme experiment seems to have been quite successful  although it is early days.

I have to admit although working with early Computers in the eighties and with the late George Kelly in the Nineties regarding possible Race Programmes  I am still trying to get my head round this Site which to an old fart like myself is equivalent to Einstein's "Theory of Relativity", However, We can only endeavour to succeed.   

[peter pandy]

October, and the moult has started in a big way with feathers flying out of them and the hoover being emptied every third day, Makes me wonder if a nasty Winter is on the way.

Reading lately in the weeklies on winter racing would certainly be one idea I would be keen to try and before anyone replies that December, January, February is too cold.  I can only say that during those months my colony fly up to 2 Hrs daily willingly, I would also be for any age racing during those months.

Perhaps the birds would have an easier time with the UK Peregrines buggering off to warmer climes.  

[peter pandy]

Removing all the nest bowls in the loft has encouraged an old Cock to help me out when daily cleaning as he picks up all the flight and tail feathers and dumps them in his nest box which only  requires my good self to clear his Box by hand and hoover all the Down feathers from the floor and boxes, saving time as the scraper is not getting clogged up when scraping the jobbies from perch and floor.

Colony still exercising well when weather suitable with the odd Sparra Bassa putting in the odd appearance but high up, Perri also appeared last week and had three local teams and all the Streeters circling above it, I reckon their were easily 2-300 Pigeons outdoing it as it left with empty claws.

Mind how you go !, as Covy is still with us.    

[billt]

Sounds like a very useful old lad there Peter

[peter pandy]

Oh well"" Xmas passed and New Year at the end of the week !, I can only wish all a Belated Merry Xmas and a HAPPY NEW YEAR when it comes.

Downstairs in the loft all is well with the split 56 inmates and when out exercising putting in a good 2Hr + shift high up.

I have managed to decrease body muscle weight without loss of muscle so they are all handling big and light with the change in feeding although it has taken quite a few months of experimentation, If tearing around the sky when exercising much faster than before, the only reaction I can foretell, then I could be a "Happy Camper" in the future.  

[billt]

Best of luck Peter 

[andy Burgess]

On 12/28/2021 at 8:51 PM, peter pandy said:

Oh well"" Xmas passed and New Year at the end of the week !, I can only wish all a Belated Merry Xmas and a HAPPY NEW YEAR when it comes.

Downstairs in the loft all is well with the split 56 inmates and when out exercising putting in a good 2Hr + shift high up.

I have managed to decrease body muscle weight without loss of muscle so they are all handling big and light with the change in feeding although it has taken quite a few months of experimentation, If tearing around the sky when exercising much faster than before, the only reaction I can foretell, then I could be a "Happy Camper" in the future.  

any tips on how you achieved this Peter . happy new year to you & Mary.

[peter pandy]

Aye Andy,

I turned my brain into memory mode and went back 50/60 years.

I done quite a bit of Fell Running and could do a 100yds sprint in less than 10 seconds with mates wanting me to enter the Powderhall New Year sprint, However I broke my ankle and that brought my running career to an abrupt halt. It was when thinking back to those days when I was full of vigour and running everywhere that I recalled the Daily meals that sustained my energy levels.

My mate in those days was the Scottish Cross Country Champion 2 Years on the trot and all he ate was a plate of Potatoes, That was when the memory box reminded me that Tatties was the staple diet in our family and Meat was just once a week on Sunday.

Now Beans, Peas, Tares supply our Pigeons protein needs SO I cut them all out, Replacing their feed with Barley, American Corn, and Chicken Layer Pellets and once a week laced with Flax Seed Oil and a sprinkling of Whey Protein Powder.

Job Done.       

 

[andy Burgess]

2 hours ago, peter pandy said:

Aye Andy,

I turned my brain into memory mode and went back 50/60 years.

I done quite a bit of Fell Running and could do a 100yds sprint in less than 10 seconds with mates wanting me to enter the Powderhall New Year sprint, However I broke my ankle and that brought my running career to an abrupt halt. It was when thinking back to those days when I was full of vigour and running everywhere that I recalled the Daily meals that sustained my energy levels.

My mate in those days was the Scottish Cross Country Champion 2 Years on the trot and all he ate was a plate of Potatoes, That was when the memory box reminded me that Tatties was the staple diet in our family and Meat was just once a week on Sunday.

Now Beans, Peas, Tares supply our Pigeons protein needs SO I cut them all out, Replacing their feed with Barley, American Corn, and Chicken Layer Pellets and once a week laced with Flax Seed Oil and a sprinkling of Whey Protein Powder.

Job Done.       

 

wow , potatoes , whod have thought eh ? thanks for the info Peter.

[jimmy sqat]

barley maize and pellets linseed to mix and o aye a drap o baby milk, for breeding birds, gee me a break min?? peter yiv let me doon min .

[peter pandy]

Wha wrote anything about Breeding ?.