b.massey Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 In one hand I agree and in the other I don't, once we showed race birds at Larkhall and all tickets were given to star and garter rung birds?? and we have never shown since then as we were sickened as the show guys have there own classes and I blamed the judges as much as the guys showing for entering them in this class, but I have judged a couple of shows this year and some of the classes had dipped birds in, but as a judge it's hard enough picking the best without seperating dipped from not dipped, I have had birds before that people would have said they are dipped and I knew they were racers, so I just pick MY fancy and that is that, if you want judges to filter everything or get critisised then you will soon run out of judges.JMO I like this post! Fair points! Flown classes are the ones that are the problem area! Trusting in the fancier to be legit about flown, then faith in the secretary who signs the forms TW I think anything goes and up to judge Then likeliest same! If judge likes it then fair enough, same as if they don't Showing is only one mans opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew suckle Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Can't remember dal2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 For the inuniniated and moi What the f##k is Dip,Dips,Dipped. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 For the inuniniated and moi What the f##k is Dip,Dips,Dipped. ???Show racer/ racer cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 For the inuniniated and moi What the f##k is Dip,Dips,Dipped. ??? I think it is a pigeon derived from a show racer x racer mating then flown at short distances, thus dipped in the race? Show racer/ racer crossThanks Stevie, I nearly had it correct or do they race them as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I think it is a pigeon derived from a show racer x racer mating then flown at short distances, thus dipped in the race? Thanks Stevie, I nearly had it correct or do they race them as well?Yer spot on Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Fair point .......but ye can get some cracking youngun for the handling classes I am of the point stevie if they look like defo show doos I didnae think.i should bother taking them oot the pen because no chance I would be giving them a prize pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 No they don't and for show doos in a racing class u gave 1rst and 2nd in a ttwrc class Did he use a white stick,pmsl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I am of the point stevie if they look like defo show doos I didnae think.i should bother taking them oot the pen because no chance I would be giving them a prize palWe will have to agree to disagree mate....IF they flew it then I would judge them by the same stick. Thru the wires /likeliest judges discretion. ......Andrews already pulled me for Giving 1.2 to show doos ( he was wrang it was 123) in a thru the wires class. Did he use a white stick,pmslCar aerial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I think it is a pigeon derived from a show racer x racer mating then flown at short distances, thus dipped in the race? Thanks Stevie, I nearly had it correct or do they race them as well? Thank's, I can understand what you are on about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew suckle Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Did he use a white stick,pmslA think u could be right lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 i afraid i must agree with alan and andrew on this one and even though you can get caught out with the the odd dipped one ive been horrified at at some good racing mens picking of birds that stood out a mile as show race crosses but im not blaming the guys that put them in its the racing judges picking them i cant get my head round and to make matters worse its experienced fanciers that are picking them no dout we can all be conned by one as that is why they cross them to catch out the judges but when its sticking out as a dipped bird theres no excuse imo so why would any racing man pick them in front of a racing pigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 i afraid i must agree with alan and andrew on this one and even though you can get caught out with the the odd dipped one ive been horrified at at some good racing mens picking of birds that stood out a mile as show race crosses but im not blaming the guys that put them in its the racing judges picking them i cant get my head round and to make matters worse its experienced fanciers that are picking them no dout we can all be conned by one as that is why they cross them to catch out the judges but when its sticking out as a dipped bird theres no excuse imo so why would any racing man pick them in front of a racing pigeoncaught oot?no undrstand Walter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dava Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 i judged at the show the day and i judged class 2 which was old hens raced there were lucky if there were 4 out of the full class of racers in the class that i judged that were full racers so you are up against it to start with trying to get a winner especially if the racers are not up to the standard that you are looking for but on a more positive note im delighted i put the doo up that won best in show from a show doo class so well done to the Bells that won bis :emoticon-0137-clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 i judged at the show the day and i judged class 2 which was old hens raced there were lucky if there were 4 out of the full class of racers in the class that i judged that were full racers so you are up against it to start with trying to get a winner especially if the racers are not up to the standard that you are looking for but on a more positive note im delighted i put the doo up that won best in show from a show doo class so well done to the Bells that won bis :emoticon-0137-clapping:well that says it all then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 caught oot?no undrstand Walteri mean some are so good its hard to tell there crossed steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 i mean some are so good its hard to tell there crossed stevenwattles an inch frae the top of the heed lol? At the end of the day is it up to Walter Boswell to judge which bird was BETTER frea 200 mile or just wots in the best nick wae the least faults? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 A show is only as good as the judges in it. I agree with Alan 100%, get the right judges for the job, that's the only way to sicken the guys putting in the dipped birds because they wouldn't get a ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 and im talking about wee club shows but if id been judging the class davie was judging id have to give the tickets to the four i thought were racers when put in that position but every man to his own thats just my opinion in a so called racing class i did not see any of the winners that were put up today but the show men need to get there turn to just not in racing classes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 A show is only as good as the judges in it. I agree with Alan 100%, get the right judges for the job, that's the only way to sicken the guys putting in the dipped birds because they wouldn't get a ticket.Am no the right judge then Derek cos if its flew 200 mile then its flew 200 mile.............maybe they need a half breed class?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 wattles an inch frae the top of the heed lol? At the end of the day is it up to Walter Boswell to judge which bird was BETTER frea 200 mile or just wots in the best nick wae the least faults?well i always try to pick what id take home steven faults or not and thats not a doo i think would take a week to get home on a bus lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 well i always try to pick what id take home steven faults or not and thats not a doo i think would take a week to get home on a bus lolYe canny pick doos wae faults Walter.......these boys that do the showin(racing men) urnae puttin birds up for your judgement we faults....quite the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 im not saying the right judges are all superstar racing men/women, their are plenty of great judges that cant fly a kite but they just can pick the right doos. Am no the right judge then Derek cos if its flew 200 mile then its flew 200 mile.............maybe they need a half breed class?? Aye but has it ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 im not saying the right judges are all superstar racing men/women, their are plenty of great judges that cant fly a kite but they just can pick the right doos.no getting that yin mate...............surely there are some parameters in pigeons that the fancier takes as a breed standard? im not saying the right judges are all superstar racing men/women, their are plenty of great judges that cant fly a kite but they just can pick the right doos. Aye but has it ??? Thats no a question for the judge but the show sec?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 no getting that yin mate...............surely there are some parameters in pigeons that the fancier takes as a breed standard? You go by a set standard, that's correct Steven but sometimes everything isn't what it seems imo.I couldn't put a dipped doo up unless id ran out of any unblemished racers to give the tickets to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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